[Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]

[Laurie at advancenet.net]

>As an evangelical, I can not support McCain!

 

As an evangelical, you can't support anyone or anything except God; and God
is not running.  As an evangelical, are you not bowing down before graven
images and supporting false gods by participating in the election and
support in men who you wish to elect as God.  The old Caesarian adage of
"render unto God what is God's and unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's" will not
work in a theocracy which is what most evangelicals want when they blur the
lines between religious beliefs and public policy.

 

 

 

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[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Dunn
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:28 PM
To: Jenifer Cartwright; C. G. Estabrook
Cc: Peace Discuss
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]

 

Ann Coulter pointed out that on many issues, Hillary is to the right of
McCain. 
The grassroots right is upset. Many are willing to punish the GOP elite with
a Hillary victory. 
She said she would endorse Hillary if McCain wins the nomination.
As an evangelical, I can not support McCain! 



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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:20 -0800
From: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Kennedys' fake liberalism... [reformatted]
To: galliher at uiuc.edu
CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

Ah, at last something on which we can agree absolutely!! Well put... and
you've also answered yr own question: evangelicals will be voting for
McCain, rather than voting for Hillary or not voting at all.

 --Jenifer

"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:

Far from being king-makers, evangelicals are regarded by Republicans as 
blacks/radicals/etc. are regarded by Democrats: they've got no place else to

go... --CGE


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> The Evangelicals will NEVER vote for pro-choice Hillary over pro-life 
> McCain!! Even tho' McCain was not their first choice, he's got enuff of 
> their platform that he'll get their vote... and he'll also go a-courting 
> in their camp between now and November.
> --Jenifer
> 
> */"C. G. Estabrook" /* wrote:
> 
> The emergence of Mad John McCain as the putative Republican nominee
> looks like being a difficulty for those who think our problems are
> caused by people who don't believe in evolution. "Evangelical 'values
> voters' of the Midwest and South" would not seem to be too happy with
> McCain, whose favorite argument appears to be, "Fuck you!" (In that at
> least, he's a worthy successor to Cheney.) See
> .
> 
> If evangelicals turn out not to be directing presidential politics (and
> never have), what are they going to do in a Clinton-McCain election?
> Vote for Hillary? --CGE
> 
> 
> David Green wrote:
> > From Wiener's review (thanks Carl):
> > //
> > /Michael Kazin recently warned against viewing Hofstadter as "an
> elegant
> > ruin from a benighted age." Brown agrees, arguing that we need
> > Hofstadter to understand the tormented politics of our time. In this
> > view, Hofstadter may have been wrong about yesterday's Populists,
> but he
> > was right about today's Republicans. *The rise of George Bush is
> said to
> > mark the return of status politics, because Republican majorities
> depend
> > on the Evangelical Protestant "values voters" of the Midwest and
> > South--former Populist areas!* Facing economic decline, they
> blame their
> > problems on the "liberal elite" and vote for prayer in schools
> and guns
> > everywhere else....(Wiener's view:) That seems like a thin lesson to
> > draw from a thick body of work./
> > //
> > Indeed, it seems like no lesson at all to draw from Hofstadter's
> work,
> > both because Hofstadter himself appears to have had serious
> doubts about
> > it, and because it's wrong. Because the Democrats repress class and
> > economic issues, "red state" voters either vote for Bush or stay
> home.
> > They're absolutely right in their mistrust of a liberal elite,
> and right
> > to associate that elite with the horrible Clintons and his erstwhile
> > Democrat successors, including of course his wife. Talk of "status
> > anxiety" and "status politics" among the middle and working
> classes is
> > intellectual sloganeering and reactionary sociology from both
> liberals
> > and conservatives who are threatened by "extremes" who want to
> rethink
> > the notion of "progress" in an egalitarian manner that debunks the
> > measure of Gross Domestic Product.
> >
> > DG

 

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