[Peace-discuss] More on Americans' view of Israel

Fri Feb 15 21:44:34 CST 2008

>Chicago isn't a dark and militaristic place???

Not anymore than many other big cities and certainly less so than Macomb,
Il. or CU once you consider the population sizes and demographics and begin
to peel back the layers that hide the dark violent underbelly of American
small towns - especially those with big research institutions funded by the
Department of Defense, Homeland Security, the NSA, and other neo-colonialist
private corporations.  I remember Illiac and its connection to the weather
research for the US Air Force so that they could predict weather around the
world in an attempt to control the weather and use it to their advantage on
military missions; do you?  I also remember how many computer science and
engineering faculty and students became irate (almost to the point of
violent) when student demonstrations forced the Air Force to move their
Illiac projects elsewhere.  I further remember how covert many of the
proposed research projects associated with the Illiac super computer were
because they were cloaked in national security secrecy (with some being
geared to testing strategies for the CIA and other agencies pertaining to
how one can control the food and water supplies so as to bring third world
players and populations under our thumb and control.  Pretty dark and
militaristic for a sleepy downstate small college community.

From: Jenifer Cartwright [mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:05 PM
To: LAURIE SOLOMON; Peace-discuss List
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] More on Americans' view of Israel

Chicago isn't a dark and militatistic place???

I was just giving an example of how stats don't even have to lie to get the
data they want.

 --Jenifer

LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:

Hmmm! What about an answer "D"?  Do you see Israel at all? 

 I am surprised that Americans know what country they are living in much
less where things are in it - let alone any other locations around the
world.  I  had college students at Western Illinois University who came from
the Western Chicago suburbs who had never seen a Jew of black person in
their lives until they arrived in Macomb; in fact, they had never left their
suburbs and visited Chicago.  For them, I bet Chicago was a dark and
militaristic place.

From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Jenifer
Cartwright
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:41 PM
To: David Green; Peace Discuss
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] More on Americans' view of Israel

"If true" indeed. I'd like to see how that question was phrased on the
(alleged) survey!!!

Please choose A, B, or C

A Do you see Israel as a dark, but not militaristic place?
B Do you see Israel as a militaristic, but not dark place?

C Do you see Israel as both a dark and militaristic place?

If you chose A or B, please explain your answer in the space provided below.

___________________________________________________________

  --Jenifer

David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

It's interesting, if true, that "most Americans see Israel as a dark and
militaristic place." I have mixed feelings about that. While they're on to
something, why don't they see America as a "dark and militaristic place."
There may actually be a little good old-fashioned anti-Semitism going on
here, for a change.

DG

Hoenlein: Obama's spirit of change could harm Israel

By Anshel Pfeffer
Ha'aretz
2/13/08

The head of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish
Organizations, Malcolm Hoenlein, expressed concern yesterday regarding the
atmosphere that has surrounded Democratic Senator Barack Obama's campaign
for president, while making it clear he has no problem with Obama himself. 

"All the talk about change, but without defining what that change should be,
is an opening for all kind of mischief," Hoenlein said at a press conference
in Jerusalem. Obama has made change a central theme in his campaign. 

Hoenlein is in Jerusalem for the annual leadership mission of the Conference
of Presidents, which will take place this week in Georgia and next week in
Israel. 

Hoenlein was careful to stress, "It's not the candidates themselves we are
concerned about," pointing out that Obama, like the other major candidates,
has signed on to found a national committee to celebrate Israel's 60th
anniversary in the U.S. 

"Of course Obama has plenty of Jewish supporters and there are many Jews
around him," Hoenlein said. "But there is a legitimate concern over the
zeitgeist around the campaign." 

He also cited the fact that Obama has criticized his rival, Democratic
candidate Senator Hillary Clinton, for her vote in favor of including the
Iranian Republican Guards in the list of terror organizations. 

The U.S. Jewish leader warned the American presidential campaign could
signal a shift toward declining U.S. support for Israel. 

"Support for Israel is at an all-time high, [but] our polling suggests that
as broad as the support is, it is also thin, and most Americans see Israel
as a dark and militaristic place," he said. 

He termed the current election season "transitional" and said that it "could
bring about a shift in the political life." 

Hoenlein said that Israel's supporters should be worried by "the heightening
of the bar and the greater tolerance of anti-Israel statements that wouldn't
have been allowed in the past." 

He singled out the book by Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer on the Israel
lobby, which "has become a bestseller and a college textbook," and said that
there "is a steady poisoning of the elites, mainly on campuses, that could
trickle down." 

He also mentioned Republican candidate Ron Paul, saying "he is openly
anti-Israel and managed to raise $15 million in two days and is the second
preferred candidate of many young voters - that is very worrying." Hoenlein
said that the fact that little space in the candidates' debates had been
devoted to foreign policy and the Iranian issue was also a source of worry.

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