[Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks

Sun Feb 17 05:15:17 CST 2008

Jeez (pardon the nickname), after all this, I think you should buy us ALL a drink!! What time on Saturday?? (kidding)
   --Jenifer

"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
  Come on, Robert (all my posts to you seem to start that way). The only way 
you'll get wine from me is if I buy you a drink. (We meet at the Esquire every 
Saturday after my radio shows.) And you know as well as I do that "Christ" is 
not a name (he wasn't the son of Mr. & Mrs. Christ) but a title -- christ is a 
past participle meaning anointed (= christened). His name in English would be 
properly "Joshua the Anointed" ("Jesus" being the English form of the Latin 
translation of the Greek translation of the Aramaic original, which was the name 
we translate as "Joshua" in English bibles), Joshua (= YHWH rescues) being of 
course the successor to Moses who actually led the people into the promised 
land... --CGE

Robert Dunn wrote:
> Ok Carl, lets see some miracles to know if you are really the Christ, at 
> the next AWARE meeting, lets see you turn water into wine! If that 
> happens, then I can say that News from Neptune should be canonized as 
> the Word of the Lord! At the same time, it does say that in the 
> latter-days, many will come and say, I am the Christ, do not believe them.
> 
> > Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:41:58 -0600
> > From: galliher at uiuc.edu
> > To: jbw292002 at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks
> > CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; laurie at advancenet.net
> >
> > Having been christened/anointed (as I'm sure you have, John), I 
> technically
> > qualify, I suppose -- but remember what happens to those so designated.
> >
> > In fact, Borges has a story about that, too: "The Gospel According to 
> Mark"
> > .
> >
> > BTW, the Borges' "story" I referred to below is in fact an essay, "The
> > Analytical Language of John Wilkins," available at
> > . Like all of Borges, 
> it's worth
> > reading, in spite of his bad politics. --CGE
> >
> >
> > John W. wrote:
> > > At 05:00 PM 2/15/2008, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> > >
> > >> Good one. Laurie... and I also like the way you called Carl 
> "Christ" ;-]
> > >>
> > >> --Jenifer
> > >
> > >
> > > Hahaha! I hadn't noticed, and didn't realize that Laurie was so
> > > spiritually inclined. "Christ" means, I think, "The Anointed One"...a
> > > characterization of Carl that I'm sure we can all live with. As proof
> > > of his status, he will correct me if I'm wrong. :-)
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> "Laurie at advancenet.net" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > "On those remote pages it is written that animals are divided
> > >> into (a) those that belong to the
> > >> > Emperor, (b) embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d)
> > >> suckling pigs, (e)
> > >> > mermaids, (f) fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are
> > >> included in this
> > >> > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j)
> > >> innumerable
> > >> > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l)
> > >> others, (m) those
> > >> > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble
> > >> flies from a distance."
> > >>
> > >> Christ, isn't that a description of our government's enemies list,
> > >> which
> > >> they have stamped as classified? By releasing this, you will have
> > >> to answer
> > >> to Homeland Security - especially since you have listed some of
> > >> their top
> > >> personnel as enemy animals. :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> > >> [mailto:peace-discuss-
> > >> > bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:57 PM
> > >> > To: Jenifer Cartwright
> > >> > Cc: Peace Discuss; Morton K. Brussel
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Howard Zinn speaks
> > >> >
> > >> > The multiple uses you cite serve to cover the fundamental social
> > >> meaning of
> > >> > class -- roughly those who have the same role in the process of
> > >> producing the
> > >> > necessities of life. In a (more or less) capitalist order, these
> > >> tend to two: a
> > >> > very small group of 'owners' (not a natural relationship but a
> > >> peculiar notion
> > >> > of dominion over what's needed to produce food and shelter) and
> > >> the large
> > >> > majority, who have to sell what makes them human -- their work
> > >> of head and hands
> > >> > -- in order to eat regularly (even when they're privileged, like
> > >> us). The
> > >> > interests of these two groups (classes, sensu stricto) are not
> > >> just skew but
> > >> > contradictory -- in spite of all Mr. Obama can say.
> > >> >
> > >> > Your description of the uses of class reminds of the famous
> > >> passage from a J. L.
> > >> > Borges' story, in which Borges claims to know of "a certain
> > >> Chinese encyclopedia
> > >> > entitled Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge. On those
> > >> remote pages it is
> > >> > written that animals are divided into (a) those that belong to
> > >> the Emperor, (b)
> > >> > embalmed ones, (c) those that are trained, (d) suckling pigs,
> > >> (e) mermaids, (f)
> > >> > fabulous ones, (g) stray dogs, (h) those that are included in this
> > >> > classification, (i) those that tremble as if they were mad, (j)
> > >> innumerable
> > >> > ones, (k) those drawn with a very fine camel's hair brush, (l)
> > >> others, (m) those
> > >> > that have just broken a flower vase, (n) those that resemble
> > >> flies from a
> > >> > distance." --CGE
> >
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