[Peace-discuss] Moon eclipse

C. G. Estabrook galliher at uiuc.edu
Wed Feb 27 13:10:46 CST 2008


That book was written during WWII, and practically everything I read today leads 
me back to it (e.g., Harvey's recently-mentioned Brief History of 
Neoliberalism). --CGE


David Green wrote:
>  From Karl Polanyi, The Great Transformation: The Political and Economic 
> Origins of Our Time (Chapter 12, "The Birth of the Liberal Creed")
>  
> "Economic liberalism was the organizing principle of a society engaged 
> in creating a market system. Born as a mere penchant for 
> non-bureaucratic methods, it evolved a veritable faith in man's secular 
> salvation through a self-regulating market. Such fanaticism was the 
> result of the sudden aggravation of the task it found itself committed 
> to: the magnitude of sufferings that were to be inflicted on innocent 
> persons as well as the vast scope of the interlocking exchanges involved 
> in the establishment of the new order. The liberal creed assumed its 
> evangelical fervor only in response to the needs of the fully deployed 
> market economy."
> 
> 
> */"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
>     I meant "liberal" in the sense of the account of Western history
>     that we
>     all learnt tacitly, in refutation of Marxism (tacit refutation being so
>     much more effective that open discussion). The etymological root of
>     "liberal" is of course "free," and it's been asserted since at least
>     the
>     19th century that European history is the history of freedom, of the
>     progressive emancipation of humanity -- intellectual, at least, if not
>     so often political or social. (Note how the myth is being used in
>     justification of killing Muslims these days.)
> 
>     We all learnt it in Western Civ classes: first there were the benighted
>     religious ages, followed by the dawn of the Renaissance, and the full
>     flowering of the Enlightenment, which led on to modern speculative and
>     practical omniscience in Clinton-Bush America... (Classical antiquity
>     is a problem here, as it was in a different way for Marx, but we deal
>     with it by ignoring it and not learning Latin and Greek anymore.)
> 
>     In fact, to some extent the opposite is true. In contrast to the
>     optimism and intellectual openness that characterized the High Middle
>     Ages (12th-14th centuries) -- whose typical invention was the
>     university
>     -- Magellan's age, the Renaissance (15th-17th centuries) was one of
>     terror, magic and, as a symptom, the fear and persecution of witches
>     (which the Middle Ages didn't believe in).
> 
>     I'd suggest the source of the colossal loss of nerve in the European
>     Renaissance is to be found in the demographic and social catastrophes
>     that accompanied the break-up of the medieval mode of production in
>     14th
>     century, and the concomitant attempt to reestablish European society by
>     force of will (absolutism).
> 
>     The liberal myth was well under way by the time Jacob Burckhardt
>     essentially invented the Renaissance in 19th century Basel with his
>     great and influential book THE CIVILIZATION OF THE RENAISSANCE IN ITALY:
> 
>     "In the Middle Ages both sides of human consciousness-that which turned
>     within as that which was turned without-lay dreaming or held awake
>     beneath a common veil. The veil was woven of faith, illusion, and
>     childish prepossession, through which the world and history were seen
>     clad in strange hues. Man was conscious of himself only as a member
>     of a
>     race, people, party, family, or corporation-only through some general
>     category. In Italy this veil first melted into air: an objective
>     treatment and consideration of the state and of all the things of this
>     world became possible. The subjective side at the same time asserted
>     itself with corresponding emphasis: man became a spiritual individual,
>     and recognized himself as such" -- and much more in the same vein,
>     along
>     with some good accounts of the age.
> 
>     A more just account of Magellan's age (which you suggest) comes from
>     someone often taken to be a prophet of the liberal view -- but Adam
>     Smith is not the man the WSJ takes him to be. In the year of American
>     independence he wrote that "The discovery of America [and the work of
>     other earthbound explorers --CGE] ... certainly made a most essential
>     [change in the state of Europe]. By opening up a new and inexhaustible
>     market ... A new set of exchanges ... began to take place which had
>     never been thought of before, and which should naturally have proved as
>     advantageous to the new, as it certainly did to the old continent. The
>     savage injustice of the Europeans rendered an event, which ought to
>     have
>     been beneficial to all, ruinous and destructive to several of those
>     unfortunate countries."
> 
>     On the manifold uses of "liberal," it would take more bandwidth to
>     connect this liberal myth to Mr. Obama -- but I don't think it would be
>     hard. --CGE
> 
>     Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>      >
>      > ...why we would assume it's "liberal" myth-making is far from clear.
>      > The original source of the quote is unknown. Nowadays it has
>      > traction across several political positions that I know of due to the
>      > Church's history of similar dogma in the face of reality, most
>      > notably geocentrism (Earth at the center), which is what got Galileo
>      > in hot water (or nearly did), and more recently other religious
>      > authorities concerning the teaching of evolution in public schools.
>      > Poking fun at such authorities, even inaccurately, is not necessarily
>      > "liberal".
>      >
>      > Frankly, I still like the quote, whether the source is literary or
>      > historical, for more general reasons: it expresses a basic skepticism
>      > in the face of stubborn authoritarian dogma and/or ignorance, a
>      > sentiment that resonates with many people because dogma and ignorance
>      > of one kind or another is still very real. (This includes
>      > Flat-Earthers, literal and figurative.)
>      > ...
>      >
>      > Ricky --- "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
>      >
>      >> Liberal myth-making, I'm afraid (which is not unknown in our own
>      >> time).
>      >>
>      >> I doubt Magellan ever said any such thing, because educated
>      >> Europeans (including church officials) of Magellan's time (and long
>      >> before) did not think the earth was flat.
>      >>
>      >> The standard model (as in Dante) was of a round earth at the center
>      >> of a series of concentric spheres, each one (except the ninth)
>      >> holding the the moon, sun, or one of the planets.
>      >>
>      >> A quite brilliant book on the model of the world from ancient times
>      >> through Shakespeare and Milton is C. S. Lewis, THE DISCARDED
>      >> IMAGE. I used to insist my grad students in Renaissance studies
>      >> read it. --CGE
>      >>
>      >> Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>      >>> Hope you saw it, it was a nice one - and early enuf that even
>      >>> Catharine stayed up for it.
>      >>>
>      >>> We were reminded of a quote attributed to a famous, and famously
>      >>> deeply flawed, earthbound explorer who despite his many
>      >>> barbarous acts and allegiances was able to look up from the muck
>      >>> and blood of brutal history and come up with this one:
>      >>>
>      >>> "The Church says the Earth is flat, but I have seen its shadow on
>      >>> the Moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church."
>      >>> - F. Magellan (not the first man to circumnavigate the globe)
>      >>>
>      >>> Ricky
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