[Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity politics

[C. G. Estabrook]

But surely it's been clear at least since Aristotle that the things you mention 
are ethical obligations of the individual and the community.

(To be pedantic: at the end of the Nicomachean Ethics he says that the inquiry 
into ethics necessarily leads into politics, and his Ethics and Politics 
together deal with "philosophy of human affairs." But it's not just that the 
Philosopher said it: it has -- in Henry Kissinger's words -- "the equal, added 
advantage of being true.")  --CGE

PS-- And you might have a moral obligation to shout, "Fire!" in a crowded 
theatre, e.g., when there is one...


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> You (Carl) asked, "What else other than morality should be legislated? 
> and of course there are LOTS of things, so I'm not sure you were 
> seriously asking. Safety. Health. Public nuisance. Noise. Keeping up 
> property. Disposing of garbage. Not shouting "FIRE" in a crowded 
> theater. Recycling... No end to things that are and should be 
> legislated, along w/ moral/civil rights, etc issues -- regardless of 
> whether folks like or agree w/ the rules and regs. Right??
>  --Jenifer  
> 
> */"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
>     Reed chaged that Clinton and her supporters' attacks on Obama were
>     racist.
> 
>     He writes, "The fact that when white women received the vote, they
>     experienced little of the violence that accompanied black men being
>     awarded the right to vote, fifty years earlier, suggests that some
>     groups, black men, black women, Hispanics, Asian-Americans and
>     American Indians face more restrictions than white women, whose
>     college enrollment is far higher even than that of white men."
> 
>     But I didn't want the Clintons' delicts to suggest that Obama should
>     be supported.
> 
>     And BTW what else other than morality should be legislated?
> 
>     --CGE
> 
>     ---- Original message ----
>      >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:49:29 -0800 (PST)
>      >From: Jenifer Cartwright
>      >Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity politics
>      >To: "C. G. Estabrook" , peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>      >
>      > MY answer related to yr posting. I don't see how
>      > yrs relates to mine.
>      >
>      > "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
>      >
>      > I have no brief for Obama, who I've thought for a
>      > while is a fraud (see "Illinois Anti-Warriors and
>      > the Attractive Senator" ).
>      >
>      > But Hillary is at least as bad. In a well-run
>      > state, she'd be visiting her husband, in prison
>      > for war-crimes in
>      > the Hague.
>      >
>      > It's a testimony to how sophisticated our primary
>      > system is -- how far it is from democracy and how
>      > well it avoids any real political discussion --
>      > that it will present us with an election in
>      > November between two PRO-war candidates, even
>      > though a majority in the country has been anti-war
>      > for some time. That's an accomplishment beyond the
>      > dream of the crude 20th-century totalitarianisms.
>      > (And that minority in the country, the
>      > self-regarding "educated" classes, are complicit
>      > with this outcome.) --CGE
>      >
>      > ---- Original message ----
>      > >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:01:07 -0800 (PST)
>      > >From: Jenifer Cartwright
>      > >Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity
>      > politics
>      > >To: "C. G. Estabrook" ,
>      > peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>      > >
>      > > So... because we cannot legislate morality and
>      > > sometimes lotsa folks will disregard laws, we'd
>      > > better leave them off the books until we're sure
>      > > they can be enforced? The facts are these: black
>      > men
>      > > got the vote 50 years before women... Native
>      > > Americans were not granted citizenship (in the
>      > > country formerly known as "theirs") until
>      > 1924...
>      > > and finally got voting rights in 1944. Another
>      > fact:
>      > > It's a damned good thing LBJ got JFK's
>      > legislation
>      > > passed, because that was the whole point of
>      > MLK's
>      > > movement... and smearing HRC for pointing that
>      > out
>      > > was dirty pool.
>      > > --Jenifer
>      > >
>      > > "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
>      > >
>      > > Ishmael Reed's Tour De Force on Race and Gender
>      > in
>      > > America
>      > > ...
>      >
>      >
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