[Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity politics

Tue Jan 22 10:48:57 CST 2008

How about life and death; should who lives and who dies be regulated?  Is
eugenics as practiced in Nazi Germany fair game for regulators to legislate
into practice; or are the eugenics policies as practiced in the U.S. with
respect to the mentally challenged and/or the policies that permitted
turning Black men into guinea pigs by giving those black men in Tuskegee
diseases so that those diseases could be studied something that governments
should sanction through legislation?  

It appears to me that one can claim that anything and everything should be
legislated with none being excluded a priori on any grounds except the
political grounds that the populous wants and desires it to be legislated
one way or another.   If this is not the case, then what grounds does one
use to include and exclude things from being legislated?

From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Jenifer
Cartwright
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:28 AM
To: C. G. Estabrook; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity politics

You (Carl) asked, "What else other than morality should be legislated? and
of course there are LOTS of things, so I'm not sure you were seriously
asking. Safety. Health. Public nuisance. Noise. Keeping up property.
Disposing of garbage. Not shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Recycling...
No end to things that are and should be legislated, along w/ moral/civil
rights, etc issues -- regardless of whether folks like or agree w/ the rules
and regs. Right??

 --Jenifer  

"C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:

Reed chaged that Clinton and her supporters' attacks on Obama were racist. 

He writes, "The fact that when white women received the vote, they
experienced little of the violence that accompanied black men being awarded
the right to vote, fifty years earlier, suggests that some groups, black
men, black women, Hispanics, Asian-Americans and American Indians face more
restrictions than white women, whose college enrollment is far higher even
than that of white men." 

But I didn't want the Clintons' delicts to suggest that Obama should be
supported.

And BTW what else other than morality should be legislated?

--CGE

---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:49:29 -0800 (PST)
>From: Jenifer Cartwright 
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity politics 
>To: "C. G. Estabrook" , peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>
> MY answer related to yr posting. I don't see how
> yrs relates to mine.
>
> "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
>
> I have no brief for Obama, who I've thought for a
> while is a fraud (see "Illinois Anti-Warriors and
> the Attractive Senator" ).
>
> But Hillary is at least as bad. In a well-run
> state, she'd be visiting her husband, in prison
> for war-crimes in
> the Hague.
>
> It's a testimony to how sophisticated our primary
> system is -- how far it is from democracy and how
> well it avoids any real political discussion --
> that it will present us with an election in
> November between two PRO-war candidates, even
> though a majority in the country has been anti-war
> for some time. That's an accomplishment beyond the
> dream of the crude 20th-century totalitarianisms.
> (And that minority in the country, the
> self-regarding "educated" classes, are complicit
> with this outcome.) --CGE
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:01:07 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Jenifer Cartwright 
> >Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pitfalls of identity
> politics
> >To: "C. G. Estabrook" ,
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> >
> > So... because we cannot legislate morality and
> > sometimes lotsa folks will disregard laws, we'd
> > better leave them off the books until we're sure
> > they can be enforced? The facts are these: black
> men
> > got the vote 50 years before women... Native
> > Americans were not granted citizenship (in the
> > country formerly known as "theirs") until
> 1924...
> > and finally got voting rights in 1944. Another
> fact:
> > It's a damned good thing LBJ got JFK's
> legislation
> > passed, because that was the whole point of
> MLK's
> > movement... and smearing HRC for pointing that
> out
> > was dirty pool.
> > --Jenifer
> >
> > "C. G. Estabrook" wrote:
> >
> > Ishmael Reed's Tour De Force on Race and Gender
> in
> > America
> > ...
>
>
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