[Prairiegreens-org] Re: [Peace-discuss] Inclusive PresidentialDebates

[John W.]

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

David J,
>
> Yes, an excellent (and depressing) summary. What did you mean by, "And then
> people wonder why nothing has changed for the better in this country since
> 1981." What was going on in 1981?
>
>  --Jenifer
>

Probably the most significant thing is that Reagan took office.




>
> --- On *Wed, 7/9/08, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Prairiegreens-org] Re: [Peace-discuss] Inclusive
> PresidentialDebates
> To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 9:55 PM
>
>
> Excellent summary, Dave.  You're absolutely right.
>
> John W.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:21 PM, unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>  Walter is absolutely correct, when he gives the example of Europe and
>> other countries outside of Europe.
>>
>> In Germany ( the country I know the most about since my wife is a German
>> National ) and most other Western European countries, elections are
>> significantly more " free and fair ".
>> For Instance ;
>>
>> 1) Everyone is AUTOMATICALY a registered voter the day they turn 18.
>>
>> 2) Elections are held on Sunday, when 95 % of people do not work.
>>
>> 3) It is illegal for candidates to buy radio and television ads. All
>> candidates are given the same air-time via candidate panel discussions every
>> Sunday for up to six weeks before the elections.
>>
>> 4) Last but not least, there is proportional representation, usually with
>> a 5% threshhold ( a political party receives 5.5 % of the votes, they get
>> 5.5 % of the seats in the parliament or congress.
>>
>> Compare that to what we have here.
>>
>> We DO NOT have a democracy. We have the illusion of a democracy with the
>> choices made for us, as to which two candidates are acceptable to corporate
>> interests. This is accomplished via corporate campaign contributions, which
>> buys air time ( no money, no air time ).
>>
>> We have a corporate controlled media that benefits financially from the
>> candidate purchased ads and a psuedo public radio / televion network that is
>> also primarily controlled by corporate money.
>>
>> We have a Presidential Debates Commission that is a private corporation
>> controlled by the DNC and the RNC, that has the " right " to exclude anyone
>> they want.
>> Remember, until the 2000 elections, the debates were conducted by the
>> League of Women Voters.
>>
>> We have massive voter disenfranchisement and obstacles to register to
>> vote. Every state with different laws and no federal rights to vote.
>>
>> And since the 2000 election, massive voting fraud via electronic voting
>> machines, that are also corporate controlled. Election officials cannot
>> access the machines under penalty of fines and prosecution.
>>
>> On top of all this, there is the daily exclusion, distortion, etc. by the
>> corporate media of facts about issues, whats going on in other countries in
>> regards to how they have solved certian problems that we currently have,
>> etc..
>> Then when a candidate does come along that refuses corporate money and is
>> willing to speak out about real issues, and is getting some support in the
>> populace, you get the constant spin, over and over and over again, that said
>> candidate " doesn't have a chance to win " , which then becomes a
>> self-fulfilled prophecy with the electorate, thanks to the so called " news
>> programs ".
>>
>> Unfortunately the Nazi Propoganda Minister Goebels was right, when he said
>> ; " A lie repeated often enough, will eventually be accepted as the truth by
>> most people. "
>>
>> I don't mean to be pestimistic, but this is our reality. And then people
>> wonder why nothing has changed for the better in this country since 1981.
>>
>> David J.
>>
>
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