[Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

[Jenifer Cartwright]

I agree absolutely, from "idiots" (maybe "willingly ignorant voters" would be more accurate?) thru "get their attention." I do think that a large head shot with very large letters saying, e g, EXPOSED TORTURE AT ABU GRAHIB might work. Short, and legible from a distance. Also gets my vote because he's a Fillipino who experienced discrimination from fellow officers during his military career and knew he'd have no career if he blew the whistle. Definitely a hero.
 --Jenifer

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:

From: LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:09 PM

Well, if they weren't, we would never have been in these wars and Bush would
not have been re-elected.  Arguably, there would be an influx of anti-war
floats in the July 4th parade, protesting the war rather than celebrating
wars and the military, patriotic duty to support the troops while they
engage in maiming and killing in the name of making the world safe for
Democracy and U.S. corporations, among numerous other inane things like
capitalism (i.e., the JM Jones and two trucks) rather than merely the birth
of the country.  Also arguably, if the public were not idiots, we would not
need to even have a float - never mind one that presents them with anti-war
heroes and people of courage to stand up against their government's wrong
doing. 

I am willing to wage that if you polled most of the public on the names that
you are proposing, over half would not know who the hell you are talking
about and half of those would not get the message even if you conveyed it on
the float.  Before you can get their attention to educate them, you have to
get their interest and the easiest way is through things that they have some
familiarity with. I doubt if many know who the hell Major General Antonio
Taguba, USA (Ret.) is or that he was not in support of the administration
stand. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: LAURIE
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> 
> People aren't idiots.  Tell them what they haven't been told by
our
> media &
> schools.  --CGE
> 
> LAURIE wrote:
> > I think that one of the problems with some of the names suggested is
> that
> > the general public will not know who they are or why they are being
> > recognized without a lot or pre-parade education. Even a large banner
> > headline saying something like "These individuals stood against
> unjust
> > actions and policies when it counted!" probably would not get
the
> point
> > across in a way that is desired.  I would think that it would need to
> be
> > people who are generally recognized on the face of it by the public
> for
> > their achievements and positions if the most impact is to be gained.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-
> discuss-
> >> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:44 PM
> >> To: Peace-discuss
> >> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> >>
> >> [Maybe Gen. Taguba should be included in those honored on the 4th
of
> >> July float.
> >>   Also, this might make a good flyer for the Saturday 5 July
> >> demonstration. --CGE]
> >>
> >>
> >> 	Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2008 by Physicians for Human
> >> Rights
> >> 	War Crimes Committed and Justice Denied
> >> 	by Major General Antonio Taguba, USA (Ret.)
> >> ...
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