FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy

[LAURIE]

A few thoughts on what you have furnished.

First, I like it and think it might be communicative.  Second, while there
are quotation marks, I still think that a more obvious statement of
attribution of the quote to the general might be helpful and more forceful.
Some may not associate the quote with the general or that it was the general
who is being quoted.  We have all seen quotes place in conjunction with
images that they may not be related to or only tenuously related to.  Some
along the parade route may make an assumption that this is what is being
done in order to attract attention to and give credence to the contents of
the quote.

Third, I think that in putting it on the float, given its size, one needs to
be mindful of wind effects and remember to put air holes in the 7 X 6 foot
panel so as to let the air through and not turn the panel into a kite.

Fourth, it may not be feasible; but I think that it would be nice, have more
impact, and be much more interesting if a revolving square of four panels -
each with a different quote and person - were to be used. This could be done
mechanically with a motor or by an individual sitting on the float and
slowly turning the square by hand.  I think that several images and quotes
would present the idea that it is not just a single person who has expressed
reservations and condemnations but a number of such persons of authority and
prestige who have done so.

Hope this has furnished some encouragement and useful suggestions. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-
> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Randall Cotton
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:40 AM
> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> 
> Carl, Laurie, Jen, how's this? (see attached image in PDF and Word
> formats). The quote is from Taguba's text that Carl posted.
> 
> This image (if it's selected by the July 4th working group) would wind
> up about 7 feet tall by 6 feet wide on the float.
> 
> And this is a good opportunity to remind folks that the July 4th
> working group meets tonight at the home of Jan and Durl Kruse, 2007 S.
> George Huff Dr., Urbana. We'll be hashing through suggestions for
> military heroes to honor and slogans revealing the truth about war, as
> well as logistical details like float construction. All are welcome,
> please join us.
> 
> Even if you can't make it, if you have a hero to suggest, I'd be glad
> to make up an image as I've done for Maj. Gen. Taguba if you can
> provide a quote and a high resolution image.
> 
> R
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> To: <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; "LAURIE"
> <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:38 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
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> 
> Yes, head shot including upper chest in full military attire, hat,
> stripes, bars.
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:
> 
> From: LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
> Subject: FW: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 9:09 PM
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> Jenifer,
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> What you have suggested might work. I would suggest that if one were to
> do
> this, then the photograph should be of him in his uniform and not a
> head
> shot per se. This would allow viewers to identify him not only with
> what
> he did but with his being a high ranking military person and not some
> crazy civilian type.
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> 
> From: Jenifer Cartwright [mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 7:51 PM
> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; LAURIE
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
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> I agree absolutely, from "idiots" (maybe "willingly ignorant voters"
> would
> be more accurate?) thru "get their attention." I do think that a large
> head shot with very large letters saying, e g, EXPOSED TORTURE AT ABU
> GRAHIB might work. Short, and legible from a distance. Also gets my
> vote
> because he's a Fillipino who experienced discrimination from fellow
> officers during his military career and knew he'd have no career if he
> blew the whistle. Definitely a hero.
> --Jenifer
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/18/08, LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:
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> From: LAURIE <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy
> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 5:09 PMWell, if they weren't, we would
> never have been in these wars and Bush wouldnot have been re-elected.
> Arguably, there would be an influx of anti-warfloats in the July 4th
> parade, protesting the war rather than celebratingwars and the
> military,
> patriotic duty to support the troops while theyengage in maiming and
> killing in the name of making the world safe forDemocracy and U.S.
> corporations, among numerous other inane things likecapitalism (i.e.,
> the
> JM Jones and two trucks) rather than merely the birthof the country.
> Also
> arguably, if the public were not idiots, we would notneed to even have
> a
> float - never mind one that presents them with anti-warheroes and
> people
> of courage to stand up against their government's wrongdoing.  I am
> willing to wage that if you polled most of the public on the names
> thatyou
> are proposing, over half would not know who the hell you are
> talkingabout
> and half of those would not get
>  the message even if you conveyed it onthe float. Before you can get
> their
> attention to educate them, you have toget their interest and the
> easiest
> way is through things that they have somefamiliarity with. I doubt if
> many
> know who the hell Major General AntonioTaguba, USA (Ret.) is or that he
> was not in support of the administrationstand.  > -----Original
> Message-----> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> [mailto:peace-discuss-> bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G.
> Estabrook> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:26 PM> To: LAURIE> Cc:
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush
> admin
> torture policy> > People aren't idiots. Tell them what they haven't
> been
> told byour> media &> schools. --CGE> > LAURIE wrote:> > I think that
> one
> of the problems with some of the names suggested is> that> > the
> general
> public will not know who they are or why they are being> > recognized
> without a lot or pre-parade education.
>  Even a large banner> > headline saying something like "These
> individuals
> stood against> unjust> > actions and policies when it counted!"
> probably
> would not getthe> point> > across in a way that is desired. I would
> think
> that it would need to> be> > people who are generally recognized on the
> face of it by the public> for> > their achievements and positions if
> the
> most impact is to be gained.> >> >> -----Original Message-----> >>
> From:
> peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-> discuss-> >>
> bounces at lists..chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook> >> Sent:
> Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:44 PM> >> To: Peace-discuss> >> Subject:
> [Peace-discuss] Bush admin torture policy> >>> >> [Maybe Gen. Taguba
> should be included in those honored on the 4thof> >> July float.> >>
> Also,
> this might make a good flyer for the Saturday 5 July> >>
> demonstration. --CGE]> >>> >>> >> Published on Wednesday, June 18, 2008
> by
> Physicians for Human> >> Rights> >>
>  War Crimes Committed and Justice Denied> >> by Major General Antonio
> Taguba, USA (Ret.)> >> ...>
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