[Peace-discuss] Fw: Michael Moore on Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann Tonight - PS

[Jenifer Cartwright]

If you really see no difference betw McCain and Obama, there's nothing I (or anyone) can say to you, Neil. But if you do recognise the many ways in which Obama is vastly better, focus on those for a bit, but of course continue to work for the things that you (and we)  want changed. We have a far better chance of success w/ Obama than w/ McCain... and a Dem house and senate can make a huge difference as well (maybe not to YOU -- I'm guessing y're pretty isolated from real struggle or danger, as am I... but my heart goes out to those whose lives are seriously affected). 
 --Jenifer
PS Thanks for the heads up. No, I don't have iTunes nor other snazzy tecky toys (tho' I'm head and shoulders above McCain, from what I hear).

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neil Parthun <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Michael Moore on Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann Tonight - PS
To: "Morton K.Brussel" <brussel at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Peace- Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "C.G.Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:13 PM


This idea of "lesser evilism" allows the Democrats to stay center-right and not have to move to the left to actually get leftist votes.   Putting "Oh Grandpa!" out there as a reason to vote Obama is not a reason to vote for a pro-war, pro-occupation, pro-defense budget, anti-single payer health care, et al. candidate.


And oh yeah, those Democrats who had the clear mandate in 2006.  They totally seized that and worked to press for what the public wanted.  Oh wait..  They kept funding the illegal war in Iraq and had a spine shakier than cafeteria Jell-O.  Yet, we're still asked to vote for these schmucks because of Grandpa McCain is bad.  Puh-leez.  If anybody wants to be a Democratic apologist, then just admit it rather than trying to take some moralistic stand.


Meanwhile, I'd rather take the Malcolm X stance: "Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or says it."



http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/22/not-voting-for-obama


http://socialistworker.org/2008/10/24/ally-in-the-white-house


As for MM on DN!: "I have no sense of optimism...Many times we've gotten far too giddy way too soon."...pinning hope and tacking it up on the board and hoping that he won't keep his campaign promises?  Seriously grasping at straws "Somehow I've told myself..." -- talk about rationalizations.


As Mort said: Some just don't get it.  Some just don't get how people might be disgusted by being expected to vote for two men who are so antithetical to what we as peace and global justice activists advocate.


As for Bill Maher, if you've got iTunes, you can get the audio podcast of the show a few days after the show has aired.  You can also get Olbermann and Maddow via podcast too...and even Democracy Now (audio or video for all three of the last ones)




Smile and keep fighting,
                    
     Neil






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