[Peace-discuss] We agree with Ron Paul: McKinney, Baldwin, Nader

[John W.]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>wrote:

Did Ralph Nader make the statement that you claimed that he made?


Not in the YouTube clip.  Not even remotely.



> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>

> > here is youtube of Nader at the press conference.
> >
> > Maybe the best explanation is that this lowQ video
> > was done in a basement with Nader and McKinney look-alikes or by
> > a clever hacker with a video editor.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49qLcw2Kec
> >
> >
> > Robert Naiman wrote:
> >
> > As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference and no such
> > joint statement.
> >
> > Somebody posted a statement on a Ron Paul website claiming that these
> > were areas of agreement, not claiming that there was a joint statement
> > of agreement.
> >
> > That Ralph Nader would have signed off on this statement is highly
> > implausible.
> >
> > In particular, as far as I know, Ralph Nader does not advocate getting
> > rid of the Federal Reserve function of regulating the money supply.
> > Nor does he advocate "pay as you go" budget rules, which, in practice,
> > are quite reactionary in their impact.
> >
> > This is the sentence that tipped me off:
> >
> > "The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
> > closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended."
> >
> > That sentence was written by a Ron Paul supporter - someone who wants
> > to abolish the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.  I will wager a
> > thousand dollars against a dime that Ralph Nader never signed off on
> > it.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This morning at a press conference, Cynthia McKinney (Green Party), Chuck
> > Baldwin (Constitution Party), and Ralph Nader (independent) released a
> > a statement that they agree with Congressman Ron Paul on 4 key points.
> >  Interestingly Bob (patriot act) Barr did not participate.
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > We Agree
> >
> > The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most
> > important issues facing our nation.  However, alternate candidates Chuck
> > Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four
> key
> > principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should
> be
> > key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every
> > election.
> >
> > We Agree
> >
> > Foreign Policy:
> > The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our
> > soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers
> from
> > around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle
> East.
> > We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for
> > attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over
> > Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship
> > and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table
> the
> > threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
> >
> > Privacy:
> > We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US
> > jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the
> > Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the
> > notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret
> > tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations
> that
> > spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must
> > reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and
> > excessive use of executive orders.
> >
> > The National Debt:
> > We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The
> burden
> > of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening
> our
> > economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along
> > and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
> >
> > The Federal Reserve:
> > We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal
> > Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate,
> and
> > other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and
> credit
> > out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial
> interests
> > must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and
> no
> > corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for
> > their crimes and frauds.
>
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