[Peace-discuss] Obama: Bush, McCain not pro-war enough

[E. Wayne Johnson]

...starts to care less what we say?...

As if globalist BHO gives a ripe red rat's rump about our opinion
against interventionalist war foreign policy now?

It's Hard Wired, there's warmongering in his ROM chips, and they are 
Read Only. 

Good luck on prying the chips out or flashing the BIOS.

Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> Horrifying.  Thanks for passing this on, Carl.  Obama needs a public tongue lashing over this, before he gets elected and stars to care less what we say.
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>  Ricky
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> "Only those who do nothing make no mistakes." - Peter Kropotkin
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> To: peace-discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 11:19:23 PM
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Obama: Bush, McCain not pro-war enough
>
> [This is very dangerous: while the US media are preoccupied with Wall Street 
> (and foolishness about the nominees) the Bush administration (with the 
> "realists" in charge) have decided to launch US ground troops in terrorist raids 
> into Pakistan.  The raids usually kill civilians, and the US military has 
> outraged Pakistan with the murder of many in the last two weeks.  Pakistan is 
> not a hollow shell, like Iraq (or Cambodia), but a populous country with a 
> strong army and nuclear weapons. There have already apparently been exchanges of 
> gunfire between Pakistani forces and the American invaders. But the erstwhile 
> "peace candidate" approves. His campaign says that in fact the administration 
> needs to do much more of the same, as he would, and condemns McCain for not 
> being as belligerent as Obama.  Disgusting.  --CGE]
>
>
>     Obama: Bush's Pak incursions, small step
>     Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:25:59 GMT
>
> US Presidential hopeful Barrack Obama has termed the cross-border raids by the 
> US forces into Pakistan as a small step in the right direction.
>
> Obama supported the raids but described them as "baby steps" by the Bush's 
> administration.
>
> "The Bush administration has come to that point of view. That's the kind of 
> policy we have to pursue and continue ... This is a baby step, but it's a baby 
> step in the right direction and something that John McCain hasn't been willing 
> to acknowledge," Susan Rice, the top foreign policy adviser to Senator Obama, said.
>
> "President Bush and the administration, indeed, are doing what Senator Obama 
> said we must, well over a year ago. If we have actionable intelligence about a 
> high-value terrorist target inside Pakistan and Pakistan is unwilling or unable 
> to take that target out, such as Osama bin Laden, Senator Obama's view is we 
> should act," she added.
>
> "Senator Obama has been saying for well over a year, in fact, has been saying 
> frankly since before the invasion of Iraq that the central front in the war on 
> terror is Afghanistan and Pakistan. And we need to invest there," she noticed.
>
> Experts say Bush is once again violating international law by invading yet
> another nation which has not attacked the US
>
> Rice said that President Bush and his administration were doing what Senator 
> Obama believed in, saying invading Pakistan did not mean hurting the country's 
> sovereignty but should be viewed as an act of self-defense.
>
> "Not to invade. Not to take over Pakistan's sovereignty, but to take out that 
> target as an act of self-defense," Rice concluded.
>
> The Obama camp statement comes after the Bush administration authorized raids 
> against militants in Pakistan without prior approval from Islamabad.
>
> Subsequently, the Pakistani Army were given orders to retaliate against any 
> unilateral strike by the Afghanistan-based US troops inside the country and its 
> Air force fighters carried out sorties in the tribal region for the first time 
> after US missiles attacks killed dozens of civilians.
>
> Earlier, some US senators said the congress must intervene legislatively and 
> legally to prevent Bush from continuing down this dangerous path.
>
> Pak jet fighters clashed US drones on Monday
>
> Meanwhile, some US drones violated the Pakistani airspace on Monday but after 
> facing Pak fighter jets' fire, fled the area, according to local media reports.
>
> The upsurge in strikes and irresponsible statements by US officials have alarmed 
> the Pakistani military, which says it would hit back against any further US 
> aggression inside the country.
>
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=69518&sectionid=3510203
>
>     Zardari, Gilani vow to confront US raids
>     Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:51:20 GMT
>
> The Pakistani President and Premier have vowed to defend the country's 
> sovereignty against any aggression by the American forces.
>
> “[Gilani] called the president of Pakistan and discussed with him the frequent 
> violation of the country's air space and incursions by the US forces,” said a 
> statement issued by the Prime Minister Seyed Yousuf Raza Gilani's office.
>
> “Both of the leaders share the idea that the sovereignty and territorial 
> integrity of the country should be respected at all cost,” the statement added.
>
> The two leaders “vowed to defend Pakistan” in the conversation made just before 
> President Asif Ali Zardari left the country to visit Britain.
>
> Sources privy to the conversation told Daily Times that the top leaders had been 
> 'uneasy' with the reported US plan to go after targets in the tribal areas 
> despite Pakistan's protests.
>
> They said Gilani asked Zardari to press the UK to convince the US to stop the 
> incursions.
>
> Pakistani state media said that Zardari would hold talks on “the emerging 
> situation on the troubled Pak-Afghan border” in London.
>
> Zardari, Gilani commitment followed bloody incursions by the US ground troops 
> into tribal belt as well as a string of missile strikes by CIA-operated drone 
> aircraft.
>
> The unilateral US military operations which killed dozens of civilians including 
> women and children have caused public outrage in the Muslim country.
>
> Following the lethal attacks, the Pakistani army chief has declared that 
> Pakistan would defend the country's territorial integrity at all cost.
>
> Meanwhile, Pakistani troops fired shots and clashed US troops crossing into the 
> South Waziristan region of Pakistan on Monday, local sources said.
>
> Pakistan's officials have warned that the aggressive US policy will widen the 
> insurgency by uniting the tribesmen with the Taliban militants, and intensify 
> the anti-US sentiments in the region.
>
> http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=69525&sectionid=351020401
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