[Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Sun Dec 6 15:59:24 CST 2009
I didnt mean you personally but noted late, too late, it could be most
easily taken that way.
I just wanted to point out the elitist overtones.
I would contend that were it not for the outright murder of ~50 million
American citizens via abortion, there would be no dysfunction of
population equilibrium that is the real force driving the wave of net
immigration...
_*Abortion would not be legal if not for its eugenic effect. *_
(Of course I am strongly opposed to abortion, be it early, late,
preemptive, or retroactive.)
When people tell me what they think about abortion they just tell me
what they think about murder.
Why kill the child before birth? What not wait some time after birth
and decide whether you like the baby or not?
Doesnt that make more sense then getting rid of the kid before ya know
if its any good or not?
You could take the child back to the hospital for "recycling". I
understand that there is a high demand for
not-quite-fully-differentiated cells for the "spare parts" and "good
used parts" market.
Of course I write foolishness here, but really, what is the difference?
On 12/6/2009 3:28 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> No such thing, Wayne. This event is being organized by a student
> group, hence the focus. La Colectiva Latina actually works on
> immigration issues generally, and does some excellent work among the
> very population you mention here locally - at Shadowwood, etc
>
> If you mean me, I've actually done solidarity work with farmworkers
> standing up for their rights, in ways that they chose, for quite a few
> years. If you want to make this about me, I'm surprised you hadn't
> noticed the postings on those issues. I happen to think that the
> right approach to immigration "problems" is to guarantee the same
> rights, at work and so on, to everybody - then there's no incentive
> for unscrupulous employers to hire coyotes to scam desperate victims
> of our imperialist policies into slavery and near-slavery here - and
> to stop supporting repressive regimes abroad that create waves of
> immigration, etc.
>
> To clarify, abortion ought to be freely available for anyone who wants
> it - regardless of anyone's paranoia about that. But I'm only in
> favor of euthanasia for so-called "Libertarians" who are opposed to
> other people's rights ;-)
>
> By the way, thanks, Stuart. That's what I hear, too. Wayne is
> engaging in groundless speculation again, I believe. I won't
> speculate about the basis of his speculation.
>
> Ricky
>
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
> To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 2:53 PM
>
> Why special favours for those fortunate ones who attend
> universities and not for those who pick fruit, sort and pack
> vegetables, work in in meatpacking establishments, and clean our
> homes and buildings?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/6/2009 2:27 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:40:26PM -0600, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Ricky,
>>>
>>> You really are all about Eugenics, aren't you?
>>>
>>> Abortion for the human weeds.
>>>
>>> Import the best and brightest.
>>>
>>> What do you propose for the "Culls"? Detention? Euthanasia?
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> What on earth? This event is to promote a humane US immigration policy.
>>
>> Plyler v. Doe for example says that states have to offer public education
>> to everybody, without screening by immigrant status.
>>
>> I do hear eugenics-like language being used in the debate at times,
>> but coming from people opposed to such a policy. They talk about
>> impure stock coming across the borders, and not wanting them to mix with
>> the good american stock. Things like that. Much as many people did in the
>> late 19th/early 20th century when the impure stock were coming from
>> southern and eastern europe, like my father's parents.
>>
>> I don't hear that kind of thing coming from people supporting things
>> like the DREAM act, do you?
>>
>>
>>> On 12/5/2009 12:43 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Celeste Larkin<celeste.larkin at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [PeoplesPotluck] Immigration Reform Rally!
>>>> To:peoplespotluck at lists.chambana.net
>>>> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:37 PM
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday, December 9th at 6:30 PM, in the Foellinger Auditorium,
>>>> the IDream Coalition will be hosting the *D.R.E.A.M.
>>>> Act/Immigration Reform Rally*! At the rally, we will be calling
>>>> upon our legislators, community and university to support
>>>> Immigration Reform that helps undocumented students gain
>>>> citizenship through higher education.
>>>>
>>>> *_So what's the
>>>> rally all about?_ *
>>>> -Come to *learn* about past and present immigration legislation
>>>> such as:
>>>>
>>>> * Plyer v. Doe
>>>> * Gutierrez/Immigration Bill
>>>> * HB 60
>>>> * DREAM Act
>>>>
>>>> Inform yourself about our country's immigration laws!
>>>>
>>>> -Come to see different U of I student organizations speaking about
>>>> how the immigration debate relates to them and *why we should
>>>> */*ALL*/* care!*
>>>>
>>>> -Come to witness testimonials from undocumented students who have
>>>> *shared their struggle* and personal immigration stories.
>>>>
>>>> -Come to find out how you can *get involved* in future movements
>>>> for human rights and immigration reform.
>>>>
>>>> So come, learn, witness, and show your support for those thousands
>>>> of undocumented students--because a few minutes of your time could
>>>> change someone's life forever!
>>>>
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