[Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Mon Dec 7 14:17:40 CST 2009
That's not an argument its a statement presented without support.
Engaging the public as a whole creates a problem for those who perceive
that the murder of innocents is wrong--- that participation in the
"public" constrains one to being a co-conspirator and accessory to a
racist mass murder plot.
On 12/7/2009 1:28 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> There is only ONE pro-choice argument, so far as I'm concerned: ALL
> women should be able to choose whether to continue or terminate a
> pregnancy, and because it's a medical procedure, ALL women should
> have health insurance that covers termination, should they choose
> that. Preferably and eventually (of course), this would be a single
> payer health plan, but until then, there should be coverage by any and
> all insurance plans, including a public option.
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/7/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
> To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:15 PM
>
> I dont suppose I have used the expression "welfare queen" but you
> undoubtably have touched on the pro-abortion argument that its is
> cheaper for the gov't to fund abortions than to support the children.
>
> The CDC reports data from 2006:
>
> Black women make up about 12.3% of the population but account for
> 35% of all abortions. Hispanics make up 22% of all abortions but
> only 12.5% of the female population. Non-hispanic white women
> make up 62.6% of the population but only 34% of the abortions.
>
> The abortion ratio in the USA was 236 abortions per 1,000 live
> births but among blacks the abortion ratio was 459 per 1000 live
> births.
>
> On 12/7/2009 10:47 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>> Gee Wayne, all the folks I know who've ended pregnancies are
>> middle- or upper-middle class... and then there are all those
>> folks on welfare who have 8+ kids... Lessee, what do you call
>> them?? Oh yeah, Welfare Queens.
>> --Jenifer
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
>> To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion"
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Stuart Levy"
>> <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 3:59 PM
>>
>> I didnt mean you personally but noted late, too late, it
>> could be most easily taken that way.
>>
>> I just wanted to point out the elitist overtones.
>>
>> I would contend that were it not for the outright murder of
>> ~50 million American citizens via abortion, there would be no
>> dysfunction of population equilibrium that is the real force
>> driving the wave of net immigration...
>>
>> _*Abortion would not be legal if not for its eugenic effect. *_
>>
>> (Of course I am strongly opposed to abortion, be it early,
>> late, preemptive, or retroactive.)
>>
>> When people tell me what they think about abortion they just
>> tell me what they think about murder.
>>
>> Why kill the child before birth? What not wait some time
>> after birth and decide whether you like the baby or not?
>> Doesnt that make more sense then getting rid of the kid
>> before ya know if its any good or not?
>>
>> You could take the child back to the hospital for
>> "recycling". I understand that there is a high demand for
>> not-quite-fully-differentiated cells for the "spare parts"
>> and "good used parts" market.
>>
>> Of course I write foolishness here, but really, what is the
>> difference?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2009 3:28 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>> No such thing, Wayne. This event is being organized by a
>>> student group, hence the focus. La Colectiva Latina
>>> actually works on immigration issues generally, and does
>>> some excellent work among the very population you mention
>>> here locally - at Shadowwood, etc
>>>
>>> If you mean me, I've actually done solidarity work with
>>> farmworkers standing up for their rights, in ways that they
>>> chose, for quite a few years. If you want to make this
>>> about me, I'm surprised you hadn't noticed the postings on
>>> those issues. I happen to think that the right approach to
>>> immigration "problems" is to guarantee the same rights, at
>>> work and so on, to everybody - then there's no incentive for
>>> unscrupulous employers to hire coyotes to scam desperate
>>> victims of our imperialist policies into slavery and
>>> near-slavery here - and to stop supporting repressive
>>> regimes abroad that create waves of immigration, etc.
>>>
>>> To clarify, abortion ought to be freely available for anyone
>>> who wants it - regardless of anyone's paranoia about that.
>>> But I'm only in favor of euthanasia for so-called
>>> "Libertarians" who are opposed to other people's rights ;-)
>>>
>>> By the way, thanks, Stuart. That's what I hear, too. Wayne
>>> is engaging in groundless speculation again, I believe. I
>>> won't speculate about the basis of his speculation.
>>>
>>> Ricky
>>>
>>> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
>>> To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>>> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion"
>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 2:53 PM
>>>
>>> Why special favours for those fortunate ones who attend
>>> universities and not for those who pick fruit, sort and
>>> pack vegetables, work in in meatpacking establishments,
>>> and clean our homes and buildings?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2009 2:27 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:40:26PM -0600, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ricky,
>>>>>
>>>>> You really are all about Eugenics, aren't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Abortion for the human weeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Import the best and brightest.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you propose for the "Culls"? Detention? Euthanasia?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>>
>>>> Wayne,
>>>>
>>>> What on earth? This event is to promote a humane US immigration policy.
>>>>
>>>> Plyler v. Doe for example says that states have to offer public education
>>>> to everybody, without screening by immigrant status.
>>>>
>>>> I do hear eugenics-like language being used in the debate at times,
>>>> but coming from people opposed to such a policy. They talk about
>>>> impure stock coming across the borders, and not wanting them to mix with
>>>> the good american stock. Things like that. Much as many people did in the
>>>> late 19th/early 20th century when the impure stock were coming from
>>>> southern and eastern europe, like my father's parents.
>>>>
>>>> I don't hear that kind of thing coming from people supporting things
>>>> like the DREAM act, do you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/5/2009 12:43 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Celeste Larkin<celeste.larkin at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [PeoplesPotluck] Immigration Reform Rally!
>>>>>> To:peoplespotluck at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:37 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wednesday, December 9th at 6:30 PM, in the Foellinger Auditorium,
>>>>>> the IDream Coalition will be hosting the *D.R.E.A.M.
>>>>>> Act/Immigration Reform Rally*! At the rally, we will be calling
>>>>>> upon our legislators, community and university to support
>>>>>> Immigration Reform that helps undocumented students gain
>>>>>> citizenship through higher education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *_So what's the
>>>>>> rally all about?_ *
>>>>>> -Come to *learn* about past and present immigration legislation
>>>>>> such as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Plyer v. Doe
>>>>>> * Gutierrez/Immigration Bill
>>>>>> * HB 60
>>>>>> * DREAM Act
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inform yourself about our country's immigration laws!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Come to see different U of I student organizations speaking about
>>>>>> how the immigration debate relates to them and *why we should
>>>>>> */*ALL*/* care!*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Come to witness testimonials from undocumented students who have
>>>>>> *shared their struggle* and personal immigration stories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Come to find out how you can *get involved* in future movements
>>>>>> for human rights and immigration reform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So come, learn, witness, and show your support for those thousands
>>>>>> of undocumented students--because a few minutes of your time could
>>>>>> change someone's life forever!
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