[Peace-discuss] Amadinejad's speech

Wed Feb 4 10:37:25 CST 2009

He doesn't wish to admit that the Jews and the Americans have had  
their own traumas. As to how much he really knows of the facts of  
these events, I wouldn't want to speculate, not knowing him well enough.

Mort

On Feb 3, 2009, at 11:51 PM, John W. wrote:

> Very interesting.  Thanks, Mort.  As usual I can't find much to  
> argue with.  But what do you suppose Ahmadinejad means by this  
> sentence:  "There was an event called September 11, the cause of  
> which remains unknown and, like the Holocaust, a true investigation  
> was not permitted."  In what way was the Holocaust not  
> investigated?  I presume he's referring to the Jewish Holocaust.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net 
> > wrote:
>
> Answering Obama …
>
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech in Kermanshah, Iran -January 28, 2009
>
> Translated by Ebrahim Norouzi, MD
> © 2009 The Mossadegh Project
>
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
>
> Today we can look at the very dark and shameful file of Mr. Bush in  
> the world arena—full of crimes, murders and treachery against  
> humanity that joined the dustbin of history. The last page in this  
> dark file was his support for Zionist crimes in Gaza. We witnessed  
> how the innocent women and children were slaughtered by the use of  
> banned weapons or otherwise. Mr. Bush rudely supported these crimes,  
> with his wolf-like language of brutality. He is gone now, and God  
> willing, will end up in Hell.
>
> Now a new administration is in power with slogan of Change and  
> stated change in American policies, this is very good, a good talk  
> since Mr Bush's policies were one hundred percent unethical,  
> inhumane and contrary to Godly values and teaching of his prophets.  
> Mr Bush's behavior and his policies were the most foul and criminal  
> of policies the world has seen over the past 50 years.
>
> The fact that they have said they want to change, the talk at its  
> base is a good talk, but bear with me the dear people of Kermanshah,  
> people of Iran and all nations of the world, I want to talk with you  
> about this change. The issue is important and it is proper to set  
> forth this important issue in the presence of revolutionary and  
> pious people of Kermanshah.
>
> When they say we intend to change course, the change may occur in  
> two ways, one—a fundamental and foundational change which has an  
> effect and represents a change in principle. The second way is a  
> tactical change, a change in method and use of language only as a  
> political weapon. It is very clear that if the intention is of the  
> second kind, it would soon be revealed and the nations of the world  
> would situate themselves accordingly. Here I want to bring up some  
> of the actions of Mr. Bush's government and see what must take place  
> if there is going to be a change.
>
> One of the main problems of Mr. Bush and his collaborators were the  
> way they looked at human societies. They sought superiority and  
> domination over others. They perceived themselves to be number one  
> and ranked other nations as number three, four or ten. When they  
> spoke with others it was from a position of conceit and entitlement.  
> If this is supposed to change, we should no longer witness an  
> America that sees itself superior to others, dominates others,  
> speaks rudely to other nations and ranks itself above all others.
>
> The presence of military force around the world was the other wrong  
> policy of Mr. Bush. You saw how they used September 11, the downing  
> of twin towers in New York, as an excuse to invade and occupy other  
> countries. Today American government for domination's sake has  
> military forces from Japan to South America, from South Africa to  
> the heart of Europe. The question is this: why should America have  
> military bases around the world? Wherever a war breaks out, it is  
> either due to the presence of American forces or due to their  
> unnecessary meddling.
>
> When they say the policy is going to change, that should mean an end  
> to American military presence around the world. They should pick up  
> their forces and return to within their own boundary to serve their  
> own people. Nobody in the world has asked them to mobilize their  
> forces.
>
> There was an event called September 11, the cause of which remains  
> unknown and, like the Holocaust, a true investigation was not  
> permitted. Using September 11 as an excuse, they invaded Iraq and  
> Afghanistan. More than a million innocent Iraqis died. Several  
> hundred thousand Afghanis lost their lives. Several million became  
> refugees. If you are talking about a policy change then give  
> permission to find out the cause, if you are talking about a policy  
> change it should mean removal of your army and forces.
>
> In Afghanistan you have brought an increase in narcotic production  
> and insecurity. Change in policy means allowing the Afghan  
> government to pursue its own plan to combat narcotic production.
>
> Mr Bush had the habit of permitting himself to intervene in the  
> affairs of all nations. Mr. Sudan, why this? Mr. Arabestan, [Saudi  
> Arabia] why are you praying this way? Mr. Iran, why do you want to  
> progress scientifically?
>
> If they are saying that we want to change policies, that should mean  
> that the American government should not interfere in the affairs of  
> other nations. What business is it of theirs how other nations live,  
> who asked them to come and interfere in their affairs?
>
> Mr Bush, without any question and unconditionally, gave his support  
> to the criminal Zionists. They brought a group, gathered from around  
> the world and exiled the people of Palestine with force of Gun, and  
> placed those people in their place. Their mission was to constantly  
> create wars, terrorize, invade, occupy and intimidate others. Mr  
> Bush had closed his eyes and in an absolute way defended all the  
> Zionists crimes, granting no rights to the Palestinian nation.
>
> Change in policy means withdrawing your support from Zionists, the  
> non-native, uncultured, illegal, impostor, homicidal, killer of  
> women and children and allow the people of Palestine to decide their  
> own destiny.
>
> Mr. Bush humiliated American nation. Insulted American nation.  
> Listened to the phones of all Americans. Planned for and created a  
> psychological war of fear and intimidation on American people. With  
> this method he excluded them from the political scene and did what  
> he wanted in the world. If you are talking about policy change, then  
> lift the pressures off the American people. Allow people of America  
> to be free and to engage in political affairs and choose their own  
> destiny themselves. Why are you disgracing the people of America?
>
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad As to the last part, grant me permission to talk  
> about our dear Iran. We are at the threshold of the revolution.  
> Those who say they want to change their policies should now pay  
> attention. It is more than 60 years that the successive American  
> governments stood at the opposition of the Iranian nation. In 1332  
> [1953] with a coup they toppled the national government of Iran and  
> replaced it with a harsh, unpopular and despotic regime. They took  
> our oil and our wealth. They corrupted our culture and in return  
> gave us a Satanic entity called SAVAK [Shah's security agency] that  
> tortured our scholars, our young and learned people in their  
> dungeons with one hundred percent American support.
>
> They kept us from joining the caravan of progress for 25 years,  
> bringing poverty, misery and illiteracy to our nation. On 15 Khordad  
> '42 [Persian calendar 1342, or June 5, 1963] they humiliated our  
> nation and killed 15,000 people of this nation and exiled the leader  
> of our nation [Ayatollah Khomeini]. In '57 [Persian calendar 1357,  
> or 1978] they killed more than 1,500 people in the Martyrs square  
> and the killers received the American president's support. They  
> stood by the side of dictatorship until the last day. They stood in  
> opposition to the revolution of the freedom, independence and  
> justice-seeking Iranian nation.
>
> From the dawn of victory until now, the American government has  
> stood in opposition to our nation. They turned their embassy into a  
> spy den, they invaded Tabas [a city in the east of Iran used by  
> American forces in an attempt to free hostages], plotted a military  
> coup, protected terrorists [MEK guerrilla organization] who killed  
> more than 16,000 people, they encouraged and supported Saddam to go  
> to war with Iran; eight years of war with their help, with their  
> support, with their weapons against the nation of Iran.
>
> This very heroic Kermanshah was bombed hundreds of times and Saddam  
> and his bombing was condoned by the American governments. They even  
> defended the use of chemical weapons by Saddam. They insulted our  
> nation and culture, frequently announced their intention to uproot  
> the Iranian nation. They downed our passenger plane and commited  
> hundreds of crimes against the people of Iran. They even rudely  
> opposed our nation on the nuclear issue. Those who possess more than  
> 10,000 atomic bombs shamelessly voice their concern about our nation.
>
> I think those who say they want to create change: this is change, to  
> apologize to the nation of Iran and try to make up for their dark  
> history and crimes they have commited against the Iranian nation.
>
> We welcome change but on the condition that the change is  
> fundamental and on a right course, otherwise pay attention,  
> otherwise the world should know, that anyone with the same speaking  
> manner of Mr. Bush, same language of Mr. Bush, the same spirit of  
> Mr. Bush, adventurism of Mr. Bush, even using new words to speak to  
> the nation of Iran, the answer is the same Mr. Bush and his lackeys  
> received over the years.
>
> We hear that they are making plans for Iran. We in turn wait  
> patiently, listen carefully to their words, carefully assess actions  
> under the magnifying glass and if a real change occurs in a  
> fundamental way, we shall welcome it.
>
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