[Peace-discuss] "Waltz with Bashir" at the Art Feb 27.

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Sorry, dunno what CSAMES is, so can't help.
 --Jenifer

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Waltz with Bashir" at the Art Feb 27.
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>, "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:51 PM

I realize that time is short, but it might draw in more people if a
discussion in that space were formally organized by an entity with a
more disinterested profile than AWARE. Might CSAMES be interested...?

On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Jenifer Cartwright
<jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Maybe the Art would let AWARE lead an after-film discussion right there in
> the theatre after one/some of the showings -- it's been done before.
Anybody
> feel like organizing something like that? Friday the 27th looks fairly
> open...
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On Sun, 2/22/09, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Waltz with Bashir" at the Art Feb
27.
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 11:37 AM
>
> A wonderful idea. Of course, anyone who doesn't see the movie is going
> to be at a disadvantage in the discussion... :)
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:32 AM, C. G. Estabrook
<galliher at uiuc.edu>
> wrote:
>> Maybe it would be worthwhile for AWARE to sponsor a public forum
> critically
>> discussing it (and not as a foreign artifact but as a question of US
> foreign
>> policy).  Recording it for UPTV means we could take advantage of their
>> upcoming web distribution. --CGE
>>
>>
>> David Green wrote:
>>>
>>> Well Bob, there's no way to evaluate a movie that claims to be
> based on
>>> historical events without understanding as much as is possible the
>>> contextual
>>> truth about those events. I'd be very surprised if the movie
does
> that,
>>> concentric circles aside. Israeli "anguish" in no way
> implies honest
>>> self-criticism, in fact it implies the opposite--the
> sentimentalization of
>>> political criminality, the sublimation of moral responsibility and
the
>>> denial
>>> of its consequences. Israeli "anguish" always assumes
moral
> superiority
>>> and
>>> hand-washing at the same time. At best it sounds to me like what
> during
>>> Watergate was called a "modified, limited, hangout."
> It's suspect that
>>> it's
>>> popular. A film that was genuinely critical of Israel, with
> implications
>>> made
>>> clear, would not get a Hollywood award. It's not for me to
tell
> people to
>>> see
>>> it or not to. Personally, I won't, on principle, unless
it's
> necessary
>>> preparation for a public event critically discussing it.
>>>
>>> DG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Naiman
> <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
>>> To:
>>> Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent:
Sunday,
> February
>>> 22,
>>> 2009 12:13:14 AM Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Waltz with
> Bashir" at the Art
>>> Feb
>>> 27.
>>>
>>> The Israeli film "Waltz with Bashir" is at the Art
starting
> next Friday.
>>> It
>>> uses (mainly) animation to depict the director's real-life
story
> of
>>> recovering his suppressed memory as an IDF soldier of the
> IDF-supervised
>>> Phalangist massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and
>>> Chatilla
>>> during the 1982 invasion of Lebanon by interviewing fellow Israeli
>>> veterans.
>>>
>>> I strongly recommend seeing it. It tries in a new way to tell this
>>> important
>>> story, and that would be enough; but the film is also a broader
attack
> on
>>> "concentric circles" of complicity in atrocities, and as
> such, has
>>> obviously
>>> a much wider scope than just the events of Lebanon 1982...
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Robert Naiman
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
>



-- 
Robert Naiman
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org



      
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/archive/peace-discuss/attachments/20090223/cb183d74/attachment.html