[Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Jan 7 17:30:21 CST 2009
My motivation in the matter is the prerequisite that we have the ear and
attention of the particles in the system, which
is nearly dead-set against allowing or hearing our dissent.
LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
>
> Get real! The system never paid any attention to The People; it paid
> attention to an elite segment of some of the people. Who are these
> unnamed "They"? If the masses allow themselves to be persuaded and
> sold a bill of goods which they believe and then act on by casting
> their votes for someone or some policy position no matter who or what
> it is, who the hell are you to say that this is not representative
> democracy, is not how the system of representative democracy works or
> should work, and not a representation of the people.
>
>
>
> You happen to be wrong. U.S. Senators are suppose to be
> representatives of the individual states and not the people, which is
> why each state gets two senators no matter what their geographic or
> population sizes. It is the House of Representatives that is supposed
> to represent the people, which is why Representatives are apportioned
> according to population and not geography.
>
>
>
> *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *E.
> Wayne Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:28 PM
> *To:* jencart13 at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* peace discuss; C. G. Estabrook
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
>
>
>
>
> The system is broken and it doesn't pay any attention to the people.
>
> They gave you 2 worthless choices
>
> - McCain (Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran)
> - O-bomb-a (Yes We Can - Bomb Iran.)
>
> They don't care which of those 2 you elect, because both of them are
> almost exactly same thing,
> and somehow they get the masses to believe that some how one or the
> other is significantly different.
>
> >>>And regardless of how IL residents (and others) feel about the
> situation, Burris needs to get his paperwork sorted and then he needs
> to be seated.
>
> The Senator is supposed to be a representative of the people
> and Blagojevich is a out-of-control Nero,
> a Joker mocking the hapless people of Illinois.
>
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
> The "problem" is that we have this Innocent-until-proven-guilty thing
> that (supposedly) applies to everyone -- our enemies as well as our
> friends. Blago hasn't been convicted of anything yet, and may never be
> -- other than bragging and swagger (which seem to be required for
> politicians), unless somebody can prove he actually made/accepted
> a specific offer. And regardless of how IL residents (and others) feel
> about the situation, Burris needs to get his paperwork sorted and
> then he needs to be seated. (And at some point, Blago needs to resign
> To Spend More Time With His Family.)
>
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Wed, 1/7/09, Ricky Baldwin /<baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>
> Cc: "peace discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:30 AM
>
> True that selling a Senate seat is not much of a crime compared
> to making aggressive war, particularly against civilians.
> However, I don't think it counts for much that our illustrious
> governor hasn't yet been convicted, as you point out - after all,
> neither has Bush - or Obama. (Obama hasn't even been inaugurated
> yet, after which we *fear* that he *may* "kill thousands" -
> and while it can be argued that his relative inaction has allowed
> the deaths of many thousands, and we would have wanted him to
> fight for the anti-war mantle he at times claimed, that's just not
> the same as being a "blood-spattered con-man" I think.
>
>
>
> It might be more like a politician who doesn't measure up to our
> expectations - imagine that - but in this case one who may
> represent an opening to make some gains, at times moderate, at
> times marginal, with any luck on occasion significant gains, on
> various fronts, but only if we organize to make it happen.
>
>
>
> It is also true that it is hard to "fill the streets" for much of
> anything. It's a lot easier to complain that we aren't doing it,
> I have to say. But even if we do try and fail to organize mass
> protests, it's more useful to analyze why specific efforts fail
> and other succeed than to simply dismiss the efforts of others.
>
>
>
> Personally, I think Just Foreign Policy has some worthy campaigns
> going on - to try to block any attacks on Iran, for example. At
> the moment, MoveOn - though most of us are not usually fans - has
> a good project to rally Obama supporters to push the most
> "progressive" agenda possible. It's a good idea. Organized labor
> and other groups are all pushing what they think they can, and
> many of these efforts seem to me to be worth our support - with
> some glaring exceptions, like that nonsense I shared earlier about
> "partitioning Iraq" or whatever.
>
>
>
> There are promises that Obama made, like closing Guantanamo Bay,
> and rhetoric he used, about "diplomacy" for example,
> that organizers can use to rally for bigger and better causes,
> expanding on these ideas to call for, e.g. closing *all* bases
> like Gitmo and the fmr. SOA, etc. And there are ideas where Obama
> has been "inactive" - like the Israeli occupation and aggression
> against the Palestinian people - that need our efforts as well.
> This Saturday at noon there is a rally against Isareli aggression
> in Gaza. The Mosque had a meeting last night to plan local
> response to these attacks. AWARE is planning an event for the
> local MLK Day activities. These are all worthy efforts. And if
> we still have energy, and feel that more should be done, we can
> meet together with people and plan more.
>
>
> But simply to dismiss the lack of effort, paint Obama with a wide
> brush, or accuse the antiwar movement of being coopted without
> backing that up, just doesn't help anything, in my opinion. But
> now i'm repeating myself.
>
>
>
> Ricky
>
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>
> *To:* Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* peace discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:02:49 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
>
> Yes, and, with the happy accident of the BBC (I like your coinage
> of "Blago-Burris circus"), Illinois continues to supply a
> distraction from the real political situation, as it did during
> the presidential (non-)election.
>
> Consider two Illinois politicians. One may be guilty of nothing
> more than bad language and politics as usual: he's been convicted
> of nothing, and -- innocent until proven guilty -- has exercised
> his legal responsibility to appoint a senator. (I should think
> that Illinoisans would be more miffed at the Senate's intention to
> disregard our legal procedures.) He hasn't even been accused of
> killing anybody, or even planning to.
>
> The other Illinois politician is publicly planning to kill
> thousands, and by his inaction has allowed the killing of hundreds
> this week alone by thugs paid by our government. But we're not
> planning to fill the streets to prevent the public celebration of
> the inauguration of this blood-spattered con-man. Our dismay is
> displaced onto the pathetic governor. As he might say, fuck that...
>
> --CGE
>
> Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> > Couple of even more annoying developments, from Nick Burbules's
> excellent
> > news roundup ...
> >
> > http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/3/94832/93890/631/679744
> >
> > http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/1/3/19577/93035
> >
> > And even the most superficial overview of Burris's past seems to
> suggest that
> > his current level of opportunism is par for the course, e.g.:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris
> >
> > Are we really going to have to start the Obama Administration
> arguing over
> > non-issues like, "He's just a sneaky Chicago politician like that
> Blago and
> > Burris..." or "lynching" Burris, or (as someone shouted at last
> month's demo)
> > the claim that Obama is a Muslim [as if that were a problem, but
> of course he
> > isn't, followed by:] "Oh, yeah? Then why'd he change his name
> to a Muslim
> > name? [cue the sound of truck engine zooming away]" - or better
> yet, "Good
> > luck with the Magic Negro," or whatever????
> >
> > Don't we have enough problems to try to sort out, you know, with
> depression
> > looming and huge tracts of the planet drowning in blood, for example?
> >
> > Ricky
> >
> > "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
>
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