[Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Jan 7 17:30:21 CST 2009


My motivation in the matter is the prerequisite that we have the ear and 
attention of the particles in the system, which
is nearly dead-set against allowing or hearing our dissent. 

LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
>
> Get real!  The system never paid any attention to The People; it paid 
> attention to an elite segment of some of the people.  Who are these 
> unnamed "They"?  If the masses allow themselves to be persuaded and 
> sold a bill of goods which they believe and then act on by casting 
> their votes for someone or some policy position no matter who or what 
> it is, who the hell are you to say that this is not representative 
> democracy, is not how the system of representative democracy works or 
> should work, and not a representation of the people.
>
>  
>
> You happen to be wrong.  U.S. Senators are suppose to be 
> representatives of the individual states and not the people, which is 
> why each state gets two senators no matter what their geographic or 
> population sizes.  It is the House of Representatives that is supposed 
> to represent the people, which is why Representatives are apportioned 
> according to population and not geography.
>
>  
>
> *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *E. 
> Wayne Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:28 PM
> *To:* jencart13 at yahoo.com
> *Cc:* peace discuss; C. G. Estabrook
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
>
>  
>
>
> The system is broken and it doesn't pay any attention to the people.
>
> They gave you 2 worthless choices
>
> - McCain  (Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran)
> - O-bomb-a (Yes We Can - Bomb Iran.)
>
> They don't care which of those 2 you elect, because both of them are 
> almost exactly same thing,
> and somehow they get the masses to believe that some how one or the 
> other is significantly different.
>
> >>>And regardless of how IL residents (and others) feel about the 
> situation, Burris needs to get his paperwork sorted and then he needs 
> to be seated.
>
> The Senator is supposed to be a representative of the people
> and Blagojevich is a out-of-control Nero,
> a Joker mocking the hapless people of Illinois.
>
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
> The "problem" is that we have this Innocent-until-proven-guilty thing 
> that (supposedly) applies to everyone -- our enemies as well as our 
> friends. Blago hasn't been convicted of anything yet, and may never be 
> -- other than bragging and swagger (which seem to be  required for 
> politicians), unless somebody can prove he actually made/accepted 
> a specific offer. And regardless of how IL residents (and others) feel 
> about the  situation, Burris needs to get his paperwork sorted and 
> then he needs to be seated. (And at some point, Blago needs to resign 
> To Spend More Time With His Family.)
>
>  --Jenifer 
>
> --- On *Wed, 1/7/09, Ricky Baldwin /<baldwinricky at yahoo.com> 
> <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
>     To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>
>     Cc: "peace discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:30 AM
>
>     True that selling a Senate seat is not much of a crime compared
>     to making aggressive war, particularly against civilians. 
>     However, I don't think it counts for much that our illustrious
>     governor hasn't yet been convicted, as you point out - after all,
>     neither has Bush - or Obama.  (Obama hasn't even been inaugurated
>     yet, after which we *fear* that he *may* "kill thousands" -
>     and while it can be argued that his relative inaction has allowed
>     the deaths of many thousands, and we would have wanted him to
>     fight for the anti-war mantle he at times claimed, that's just not
>     the same as being a "blood-spattered con-man" I think.
>
>      
>
>     It might be more like a politician who doesn't measure up to our
>     expectations - imagine that - but in this case one who may
>     represent an opening to make some gains, at times moderate, at
>     times marginal, with any luck on occasion significant gains, on
>     various fronts, but only if we organize to make it happen.
>
>      
>
>     It is also true that it is hard to "fill the streets" for much of
>     anything.  It's a lot easier to complain that we aren't doing it,
>     I have to say.  But even if we do try and fail to organize mass
>     protests, it's more useful to analyze why specific efforts fail
>     and other succeed than to simply dismiss the efforts of others. 
>
>      
>
>     Personally, I think Just Foreign Policy has some worthy campaigns
>     going on - to try to block any attacks on Iran, for example.  At
>     the moment, MoveOn - though most of us are not usually fans - has
>     a good project to rally Obama supporters to push the most
>     "progressive" agenda possible.  It's a good idea.  Organized labor
>     and other groups are all pushing what they think they can, and
>     many of these efforts seem to me to be worth our support - with
>     some glaring exceptions, like that nonsense I shared earlier about
>     "partitioning Iraq" or whatever.
>
>      
>
>     There are promises that Obama made, like closing Guantanamo Bay,
>     and rhetoric he used, about "diplomacy" for example,
>     that organizers can use to rally for bigger and better causes,
>     expanding on these ideas to call for, e.g. closing *all* bases
>     like Gitmo and the fmr. SOA, etc.  And there are ideas where Obama
>     has been "inactive" - like the Israeli occupation and aggression
>     against the Palestinian people - that need our efforts as well. 
>     This Saturday at noon there is a rally against Isareli aggression
>     in Gaza.  The Mosque had a meeting last night to plan local
>     response to these attacks.  AWARE is planning an event for the
>     local MLK Day activities.  These are all worthy efforts.  And if
>     we still have energy, and feel that more should be done, we can
>     meet together with people and plan more.
>
>
>     But simply to dismiss the lack of effort, paint Obama with a wide
>     brush, or accuse the antiwar movement of being coopted without
>     backing that up, just doesn't help anything, in my opinion.  But
>     now i'm repeating myself. 
>
>      
>
>     Ricky
>
>     "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>
>     *To:* Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>     *Cc:* peace discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2009 12:02:49 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Blago-Burris circus
>
>     Yes, and, with the happy accident of the BBC (I like your coinage
>     of "Blago-Burris circus"), Illinois continues to supply a
>     distraction from the real political situation, as it did during
>     the presidential (non-)election.
>
>     Consider two Illinois politicians. One may be guilty of nothing
>     more than bad language and politics as usual: he's been convicted
>     of nothing, and -- innocent until proven guilty -- has exercised
>     his legal responsibility to appoint a senator. (I should think
>     that Illinoisans would be more miffed at the Senate's intention to
>     disregard our legal procedures.)  He hasn't even been accused of
>     killing anybody, or even planning to.
>
>     The other Illinois politician is publicly planning to kill
>     thousands, and by his inaction has allowed the killing of hundreds
>     this week alone by thugs paid by our government.  But we're not
>     planning to fill the streets to prevent the public celebration of
>     the inauguration of this blood-spattered con-man.  Our dismay is
>     displaced onto the pathetic governor.  As he might say, fuck that...
>
>     --CGE
>
>     Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>     > Couple of even more annoying developments, from Nick Burbules's
>     excellent
>     > news roundup ...
>     >
>     > http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/3/94832/93890/631/679744
>     >
>     > http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/1/3/19577/93035
>     >
>     > And even the most superficial overview of Burris's past seems to
>     suggest that
>     > his current level of opportunism is par for the course, e.g.:
>     >
>     > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Burris
>     >
>     > Are we really going to have to start the Obama Administration
>     arguing over
>     > non-issues like, "He's just a sneaky Chicago politician like that
>     Blago and
>     > Burris..." or "lynching" Burris, or (as someone shouted at last
>     month's demo)
>     > the claim that Obama is a Muslim [as if that were a problem, but
>     of course he
>     > isn't, followed by:]  "Oh, yeah?  Then why'd he change his name
>     to a Muslim
>     > name? [cue the sound of truck engine zooming away]" - or better
>     yet, "Good
>     > luck with the Magic Negro," or whatever????
>     >
>     > Don't we have enough problems to try to sort out, you know, with
>     depression
>     > looming and huge tracts of the planet drowning in blood, for example?
>     >
>     > Ricky
>     >
>     > "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
>      
>
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