[Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right

[E. Wayne Johnson]

NARAL is hardly what one should call a "charity".  It's more like a 
coven for infanticide.

Actually I never did understand the rationale behind forbidding polygamy.

Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Oh, of COURSE, duh -- "a woman with children to be supported should be 
> in a permanent loving relationship with a man.  Period." Now WHY 
> hasn't anybody else tho't of that?? The gov't and social agencies and 
> NARAL and all the charities and all the other so-called helpers just 
> need to get out of the way so that can happen, right?? Maybe we need 
> to legalize polygamy while we're at it, so that the guys who are 
> ready, willing and ABLE to take on that kind of responsibility can do 
> so, because last time I looked, there was a whole lotta need.   
>  -- Jenifer 
>
> --- On *Sat, 1/24/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>     From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right
>     To: "Marti Wilkinson" <martiwilki at gmail.com>
>     Cc: "peace discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "C. G.
>     Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>     Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:21 AM
>
>     I will read and comment on it Marti.  Thank you for sharing.
>     (btw, I can't send posts to sf-core)
>
>     Before I dared to publish the videos about Sanger on my
>     website I did research out each quotation to see if it was
>     accurate and in context, and
>     I did read several pieces and a few whole books by Sanger and her
>     cohorts/colleagues online.
>     The quotes made in the videos are indeed verbatim and although
>     selected and disembodied from
>     their context, I did not find that they are misrepresentations of
>     Sanger's meaning or intent.
>
>     I also recently ordered and received a book by Linda Gordon
>     "Woman's Body Woman's Right"
>     which is a history of the birth control movement from a
>     Pro-Choice  perspective.  Gordon was
>     also not particularly kind in her treatment of the historical Sanger.
>
>     There is no doubt that the pro-life movement has some spin to the
>     stuff they produce because
>     they are trying to persuade not just report.  Recognizing that, I
>     did go and read the originals,
>     and stuff from both sides of the argument. 
>
>     I have spent most of my life working in biology and biomedical
>     fields related to agriculture. 
>     The fastidious environmental and nutritive requirements of the
>     developing pre-born
>     individual that is disingenuously misinterpreted as an argument of
>     fetal viability
>     invoked in Roe v. Wade, etc., is completely devoid of merit.  Life
>     doesn't begin at conception, it continues
>     through conception in the form of a new individual with full
>     potential formed by the union of
>     a live sperm and a live egg.
>
>     - - -
>
>     The best way to understand Margaret Sanger is to go read Margaret
>     Sanger.
>
>     The thing that cannot be erased from Maggie Sanger's writings is
>     that she was profoundly
>     anti-poor and anti-negro and was quite worried that the world
>     would turn into something
>     like the scenario presented in "Idiocracy" unless the valiant
>     agents of birth control intervened.
>
>     ___
>
>     I agree that the society is badly broken.  It is so badly broken
>     that I voted with my feet once
>     and vowed not to ever come back.  Things aren't any better.
>
>     I don't think that the problem is capitalism or socialism
>     exactly.  Seems to me that we need them both.
>
>     I see the problem being that too many people dont know how to get
>     along with one another,
>     too many are unaware, and too many are afraid of the truth.
>
>     People are not getting good instruction on how to live their lives
>     and form
>     lasting bonds with their families because somehow the natural ways
>     and instincts are being replaced
>     with something socio-pathologic.  I think one big problem is that
>     we intervene too much and
>     dont allow some people to go through the difficult sweaty
>     transition of adaptation in the face of an
>     irrevocable committment.  Jumping out of an airplane is an
>     irrevocable committment.  Some eggs will
>     need to be broken to make the omelet, and we have too many
>     interferences that are halting
>     the process because some people are afraid of it.  (This may be
>     unclear to some.)
>
>     It does no good to render feelings of guilt or to simply criticize,
>     but there needs to be a lot more understanding and willingness to
>     be truly helpful.
>     I see one of the real problems is that the men are not being real
>     men.  The best way for women
>     with children to be supported is that the woman be in a permanent
>     loving relationship with a man.  Period.
>     Certainly some 3-legged cats can climb trees.  The manufacturer's
>     recommendation is the full complement of 4.
>
>     If the women and men dont want to submit to a conventional
>     lifestyle, therein lies their problem.    The problem is that we
>     rush in and say "poor baby...you dont have to put up with that ole
>     mean bastard...we will take care of you"
>     rather than offering needed support but allowing people to work
>     out the rough edges on their own.
>
>     I dont think that abortion should be offered as an alternative. 
>     Ever.  It's certainly not
>     helpful to the economy or the society, it breaks down the moral
>     fiber of the people, and...
>     it's simply not necessary.  Unless a mild form of genocide is the
>     goal, in which case the
>     utility is obvious as well as the morality, ethics, and understanding.
>
>     Marti Wilkinson wrote:
>>     I've attached an article written by Alexander Sanger who
>>     addressed what he believes and cites as misrepresentations of his
>>     grandmothers view on eugenics. I personally think the videos
>>     present a great deal of distortion and it's hard to find a more
>>     'objective' source.
>>
>>     What I see many of these responses touching on is that basic
>>     access to health care, jobs that pay a living wage, and support
>>     for women with children are the best way to actually prevent
>>     abortions. Until we address some of these basic inequalities this
>>     will continue to be an issue.
>>
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