[Peace-discuss] president's speech on afghanistan (correction)

[C. G. Estabrook]

Yes. Perhaps it illustrates how seriously we should take grammatical rules.

John W. wrote:
> Actually, Carl, it should be "Damn'd be HE that first cries...", 
> shouldn't it?  Have we caught Shakespeare in a grammatical error?
> 
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:39 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
> 
>       "You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them,
>       Know when to walk away and know when to run..."  --CGE
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> 
>     John W. wrote:
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>         On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook
>         <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>         <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>>
>         wrote:
> 
>         Sorry.  I made a grammatical point and then committed a solecism
>         of my own.
> 
>         Read "But do we risk praising killing just some people?"
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>         Yes.  And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold enough?"!
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>         C. G. Estabrook wrote:
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>         This is a poem.  (But you mean "As if ... were ...")
> 
>         But do we risk praising just killing some people?
> 
>         "And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'?"
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> 
>         Karen Medina wrote:
> 
>         won't get his 40,000 troops but only, say 10,000 -- and maybe
>         only trainers? Would we be seen as applauding presidential
>         restraint?
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>         Short of withdrawal, I am in favor of rallying.
> 
>         10,000 trainers. As if our military had an answer. And if they
>         had an answer,
>         as if our military could train without knowing the language and
>         the culture. And if they knew the languages and the cultures, as
>         if there were people to
>         train. ... As if!
> 
>         As if the problem was in Afghanistan. As if the problem was
>         isolated. As if
>         the problem was contained or containable. As if the problem had
>         a beginning .
>          As if the problem was identified and spoken honestly of. As if.
> 
>         -karen medina
> 
>         On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook
>         <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>         <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>>
>         wrote:
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>         A good idea -- but what do we do if the administration chooses
>         one of the "four options" (from its present propaganda blitz)
>         that would say McChrystal
> 
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>         Tim Johnson seems to be committed to a demand for withdrawal,
>         and I would presume would continue to be so, regardless of what
>         Obama does, short of withdrawal.  That would seem to me to be
>         the basis on which to organize a rally.
> 
> 
>         Robert Naiman wrote:
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>         press speculation would suggest better than even odds that
>         sometime in November, the President will give a speech
>         announcing that he intends to send
>         tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
> 
>         I propose to spread around in advance the idea that there will be a
>         demonstration at the Vets Memorial in Urbana at 5pm the day of
>         the president's speech.
> 
>         the idea of 5pm the day of the speech is to try to get into the
>         president's
>         news cycle. so that when people are watching the local tv news,
>         the first
>         thing they see is the president's announcement and the second
>         thing they see
>         is the local reaction: "but local protesters say that escalation
>         is not the
>         answer."
> 
>         I furthermore propose that we invite Tim Johnson to speak. he's
>         rock-solid on
>         this. now that's man bites dog.
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