[Peace-discuss] AWARE
jgeo61 at comcast.net
jgeo61 at comcast.net
Thu Sep 3 17:34:37 CDT 2009
If I understand correctly your msg. below, I ask you not to insult me by proposing this notion that I am not familiar with the facts and thus have drawn my own fallacies. I have been included on this list serve for quite a while now and have even faithfully read the msgs. that arrive in my inbox. I think I understand this situation quite clearly and have shared my opinion that I am tired of the business as usual posture that is currently taken. I'm sorry that you do not share my views but I am still going to share them with the group and advocate for change.
Joy George
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From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 1:41:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
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the merry-go-round is not a ferrous wheel, the perception of irony is lost and the derivation of irony is unrelated.
Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning hypocrisy, deception, or feigned ignorance) is a literary or rhetorical device, in which there is an incongruity or discordance between what one says or does and what one means or what is generally understood. Irony is a mode of expression that calls attention to the character's knowledge and that of the audience.
There is argument about what qualifies as ironic, but all senses of irony revolve around the perceived notion of an incongruity between what is expressed and what is intended, or between an understanding or expectation of a reality and what actually happens: the literal truth is in direct discordance to the perceived truth.
On 9/3/2009 1:11 PM, jgeo61 at comcast.net wrote:
Webster 9th Edition Collegiate Dictionary pg.914 "Pontificate": "to speak or express opinions in a pompous or dogmatic way"
I stand by my usage of this word. Again, if the small group of people who want to use this list serve exclusively really need to consider creating their own venue.
Joy George
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From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:01:41 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
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Here's the OED pontificating, as it were--
[< classical Latin pontific-, pontifex Roman high priest, in post-classical
Latin also pope (4th cent.), bishop (5th cent.; frequently from 7th cent. in
British sources), archbishop (frequently from 8th cent. in British sources),
apparently (following ancient etymologists) < ponti-, alternative stem of pons
bridge (see PONS n.) + -fic-, -fex, combining form of facere to do, make (see
FACT n.), though this may represent merely a folk etymology ... In sense 4
chiefly used punningly or allusively with reference to the supposed etymology.]
[...]
4. A bridge-maker. Also fig.
1686 J. F. G. CARERI Let. 6 Apr. in Coll. Voy. & Trav. (1732) 88/1 Jucundus on
the Seyne two bridges laid, For which he well may Pontifex be said. Pontifex has
here a double meaning, as signifying a bridge-maker; whereas the true
acceptation of it is a bishop. 1834 T. CARLYLE Sartor Resartus I. xi. 28/2 Never
perhaps since our first Bridge-builders, Sin and Death, built that stupendous
Arch from Hell-gate to the Earth, did any Pontifex, or Pontiff, undertake such a
task. 1877 Outl. Hist. Relig. 237 No special deity claimed the services of the
Pontifices, the bridge- or road-makers. 1927 Jrnl. Royal Anthropol. Instit. 57
248 Moses was a Pontifex indeed. His device, whatever it may have been, perhaps
the choice of an interval between the floods, became a miracle. 1999 Hinduism
Today (Nexis) 30 Apr. 25 He was a Pontifex..a man throwing bridges over
different rivers. Vedic heritage and Greek Pagan thought, Hindu worldview and
Germanic tradition.
John W. wrote:
> ...
> Incidentally, in my own dictionary perusings and musings - to say
> nothing of my life experience - I'm not seeing anything about a person
> who pontificates as being a "bridge builder":
>
> *pon·tif·i·cate
> *
> (pŏn-tĭf'ĭ-kĭt, -kāt')
> n. The office or term of office of a pontiff.
> intr.v. (-kāt') *pon·tif·i·cat·ed*, *pon·tif·i·cat·ing*, *pon·tif·i·cates*
>
> 1. To express opinions or judgments in a dogmatic way.
> 2. To administer the office of a pontiff.
>
>
> [Latin pontificātus, from pontifex, pontific-, /pontifex/; see *
> pontifex*. V., from Medieval Latin pontificāre, pontificāt-, /to act as
> an ecclesiastic/, from Latin pontifex.]
> *pon·tif'i·ca'tion*/ n./, *pon·tif'i·ca'tor*/ n.
>
> /
>
> The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
> Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
> Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
>
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