[Peace-discuss] State Department Terminates Aid to Honduras Coup Regime

C. G. Estabrook galliher at illinois.edu
Fri Sep 4 11:02:03 CDT 2009


Are you suggesting an LA version of the "we-can't-just-cut-and-run" argument? 
You don't support that in the Middle East, do you?  --CGE


Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> Yes indeed.
>  
> Is it "non-intervention" to let our dogs off the leash?
> 
> Ricky
> 
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
> 
> --- On *Fri, 9/4/09, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at illinois.edu>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] State Department Terminates Aid to
>     Honduras Coup Regime
>     To: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
>     Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:35 AM
> 
>     E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>      > Isn't the most appropriate response of the US a cessation of military
>      > activity in the region and a non-interventionist foreign policy?
> 
>     Yes, indeed. Plus immediate withdrawal of all US military and CIA,
>     and a cessation of SOA training and all "aid," military and
>     non-military.  Substantial US economic and development aid should be
>     channeled through the UN so that the US cannot use it for praise or
>     blame.
> 
>     Since Honduras was the pretty thoroughly colonized hub of the US
>     contra war, it's been deeply impacted by the USG, which was
>     undoubtedly aware of the upcoming coup.
> 
> 
>     E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>      > Whether or not Honduras has an impeachment provision seems to be
>     a matter of semiotics.  It appears that the Congress decided to
>     remove Zelaya and the Supreme Court ordered him removed, the
>     "equivalent" to impeachment and removal.
>      >
>      >> Congress voted to remove him for what it called "repeated
>     violations of the
>      >>  constitution and the law", and the Supreme Court said it had
>     ordered the president to be removed from office to protect law and
>     order.
>      > Here's the link to the BBC page:
>     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8124154.stm
>      >
>      >
>      > Honduras apparently has a provision for action under duress, so
>     the coup is not exactly "illegal".
>      >> Article 24 of Honduras' penal code will exonerate the joint
>     chiefs of staff
>      >>  who made the decision, because it allows for making tough
>     decisions based on the good of the state, Inestroza said.
>      > But, My Original question was "Why are we meddling with the
>     affairs of Honduras, a sovereign state?"
>      >
>      > Should China impose monetary policy sanctions on the US because
>     Mr. Obama has
>      >  proposed illegal detention of dissidents, or because Obama has
>     continued Bush's unconstitutional activities, or because the US is
>     in the process of escalating its occupation of Afghanistan?  Jimmy
>     Carter told us that the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was so
>     immoral that Amerikans ought to starve the Soviets into submission.
>     Carter instituted a grain embargo that devastated the American
>     Farmer.  How can we be on the moral high ground in Afghanistan while
>     the Soviets were scoundrels for doing nothing worse than what we are
>     doing?
>      >
>      > Isn't the most appropriate response of the US a cessation of
>     military activity in the region and a non-interventionist foreign
>     policy?
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On 9/4/2009 8:22 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>      >> The Honduran Congress never "impeached" President Zelaya. There
>     is no impeachment provision in the Honduran Constitution.
>      >>
>      >> The top legal adviser to the Honduran military admitted that the
>     Honduran military broke the law:
>      >>
>      >> http://www.miamiherald.com/1506/story/1125872.html
>      >>
>      >> Do you have a link to that BBC story?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:49 AM, E. Wayne Johnson<ewj at pigs.ag
>     <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewj@pigs.ag>> wrote:
>      >>
>      >>> The BBC reports:
>      >>>
>      >>> Tension had been brewing in Honduras over recent months. Mr
>     Zelaya sacked
>      >>>  the head of the armed forces, who refused to give logistical
>     support for
>      >>>  the 28 June vote. The Supreme Court overruled him, saying the
>     army chief
>      >>>  should be reinstated.
>      >>>
>      >>> When Mr Zelaya insisted the consultation would go ahead,
>      >>>
>      >>> Since Honduras's own Congress has IMPEACHED and voted to Remove
>     Zelaya, and the Honduras's own Supreme Court has ordered Zelaya's
>     removal, How is
>      >>>  it that Anyone could say that his removal is Illegal, since it
>     would appear that Due Process and the Rule of Law is being followed?
>      >>>
>      >>> On 9/4/2009 7:36 AM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>> Of course I am pleased that the US is terminating its "aid" to
>     Honduras.
>      >>>  Honduras should be glad too.  Amerika's jelly beans have
>     fishhooks in them.
>      >>>
>      >>> What business does the United States have interfering with the
>     conduct of
>      >>>  government in Honduras, a sovereign state?
>      >>>
>      >>> The American battle for independence from the bloody British
>     was an illegal coup. We have a military base in Honduras. Why
>     shouldn't they throw us out of there if they could?
>      >>>
>      >>> How is our meddling with Honduras not an act of aggression
>     against a weak
>      >>>  sovereign nation? How is it any different from what we are
>     doing in Iraq
>      >>>  and Afghanistan?
>      >>>
>      >>> It appears that the initiating spark in Honduras is an
>     insistance on violation of term limits by the now-ousted President.
>     What is it that we like about that?
>      >>>
>      >>> Is the US on the wrong side of the fight?  (once again?)
> 
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