[Peace-discuss] AWARE

Sat Sep 5 10:50:46 CDT 2009

I think most of this list's problems would be solved by just banning Carl and Wayne: maybe they can go and create their own peace group for hate-mongering homophobes and litter each others' inboxes with their irrelevant tangents and pretentious off-color remarks.

AWARE cannot go on without any organizational infrastructure, as attractive as it sounds to be "anarchistic." A simple, respectful level of organization backed by a widely supported set of rules will make the group more democratic, and less prone to dominance by overbearing personalities and their seemingly regressive ends.

Since everyone that has left the group or that are currently frustrated with its direction seem to have a problem with the same person, why don't you just give him the old "heave ho"? Because his weekly news updates are supposedly of some value? Because you want to hear every possible apology made for regressive "anti-war" conservatives, coupled with redundant reminders that mainstream Democrats have, by and large, betrayed their progressive base?
So Ron Paul is somehow better than Dennis Kucinich? . . I guess if you are a multi-millionaire, racist, xenophobe with no passion for the good of your country . . 

Will someone down there please find the courage to defend the integrity of this group and lay a ban down on the aforementioned assholes?

Best,
Matt

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:38:38 +0000
From: jgeo61 at comcast.net
To: slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] AWARE
CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; ewj at pigs.ag

Well said Stuart.  Where I am certainly the last person to wish to censor anyone, I have read enough of the list serve msgs. to know that they are frequently off topic and truly more suited for an evening with friends over beer or scotch..depending on how old you are. 

I have been a peace activist for many years, yet I still have so much to learn from other people and their experiences. I need this from this group and simply am not getting it.  

Joy George 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
To: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 2:38:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] AWARE

On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:02:47PM -0500, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
> Joy,
>
> I interpret your commentary about an "arena for both of you" as your 
> actually wanting to leave the arena
> and/or somehow sanitize and censor the rodeo.  To what end?
>
> I really do think that I have gained a clarified background of the issues 
> from my association with this
> list and my interactions with the organization.
>
> Please share with us this alternative viewpoint of new light on the issues,
> since your "no" answer implies that you have information or you know of 
> information unshared.
>
> The list-serve is patient.  It will transmit your info just as it does that
> of Laurie, Carl, David J, Mort, Stuart, Karen, Joy,  ewj, John W, Dave
> Harley, Ricky B, Jenifer, et al.  or what ever subset of that 10-11-12
> frequent contributors that comprises the "3-4 people" who are "hogging" the
> stage.  It will broadcast to all, including some who are in "deep lurk",
> reading but seldom responding.
>
> The more threads the merrier.  Type away.

Oh, come on, Wayne.  Censor, schmensor.

If I started posted to this list about the life cycles of Cecropia moths,
or of massive stars, or striking up conversations about what's on my grocery
list for this week, or yelling at my peers for criticizing my preference
for Michael Jackson over Britney Spears, I hope you'd consider it tiresome,
at best, and anyway a poor fit for the topics this list was set up to cover.

More to the point -- if you had joined this list to *learn about
and work for peace* -- wading through such stuff would be
*a waste of your time*.

You may be immortal, but I'm definitely not.  I have only so much time
left to waste.  And I have a job (as you do, but many on this list don't),
and other interests and causes to work for.   I want time spent
participating in AWARE to mean something.

There are 164 people on this mailing list.  Please let's be considerate
about choosing what we put in the in-boxes of the other 163.

    Stuart

> On 9/3/2009 8:35 PM, jgeo61 at comcast.net wrote:
>> You say that you are spending hours and hours talking about the war.  Do 
>> you feel that you have made any progress in gaining a clarified background 
>> of the issues and/or a sense of the future?  Has the discussion brought 
>> anyone else's opinions to the table to shed new light on the issues.  I 
>> think the answer is "no".  This list serve which holds so much potential 
>> has now been reduced to a stage for 3-4 people and there are more than a 
>> few people who have a problem with that arrangement.
>>
>> How do we provide an arena for both of us?  I like the idea of the unused 
>> email address being brought out of retirement.
>>
>> Joy George
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>> To: jgeo61 at comcast.net
>> Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Stuart Levy" 
>> <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:42:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] AWARE
>>
>> Interesting question.  What path do you mean (Garden? Political? Socio-?)
>>
>> And what would count as success, depending on the first answer?
>>
>>
>> jgeo61 at comcast.net wrote:
>> > How successful do you feel with the path you have chosen?
>> >
>> > Joy George
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>> > To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>> > Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 5:56:53 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada 
>> Central
>> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] AWARE
>> >
>> > Uh, because it came up?
>> >
>> > Because we can't spend all our waking hours stopping wars...?
>> >
>> >
>> > Stuart Levy wrote:
>> > > On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 04:06:11PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> > >> Yes.  There's a war on.
>> > >
>> > > There surely is.  So why on earth are we talking about
>> > > the etymology of pontification?!
>>
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