[Peace-discuss] Fw: [police oversight] fw: HR Bill 413 - A National Police Unaccountability Bill

Laurie Solomon ls1000 at live.com
Fri Apr 16 12:10:19 CDT 2010


I thought some might want to take notice of this.

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From: "Debbie Russell" <debmocracy at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:26 AM
To: <policeoversight at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [police oversight] fw: HR Bill 413 - A National Police 
Unaccountability Bill

> http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=2181
>
> I didn't realize all unions didn't have these powers already....being down 
> har' in TX and all...
> Debbie
>
> URGENT UPDATE! -04/13/10 21:36PST
>
>    Folks, congress is apparently trying to push this one through on a fast 
> track. Last night Senator Harry Reid introduced Senate bill 3194 that has 
> nearly identical wording as S.1611 and HR 413 in a way that will force it 
> to the Senate floor for a vote tomorrow which would send the bill to the 
> House where they plan to amend it to their bill which would do away with 
> the need to put it in a conference committee, sending it straight to the 
> president for signature into law.
>
>    Simply put, this law would force every law enforcement agency in the US 
> to allow police unions to have a say not only in pay and benefit issues, 
> but also in disciplinary policies. If you thought it was hard to hold cops 
> accountable for misconduct now, just wait until police unions get to 
> influence disciplinary policies in every police department and sheriff's 
> office in the US!
>
>    This is one nasty piece of legislation and we must voice our opposition 
> to it NOW, before they sneak it through congress before anyone knows what 
> hit them!
>
> I've talked a lot in the past about how the inability of many police 
> departments to hold police officers accountable for misconduct and the 
> lack of transparency for disciplinary records and investigations into 
> allegations of misconduct are the result of police unions having the 
> ability to negotiate on disciplinary and investigative policy items during 
> contract talks.
>
> For example, the police union here in Seattle Washington has been able to 
> insert loopholes in the disciplinary process by imposing time limits on 
> investigations. They have been able to tweak the contract language so that 
> dishonesty cannot be grounds for dismissal even when the city thought it 
> could be. They were able to give themselves five different avenues of 
> appeal for overturning disciplinary actions against problematic cops, 
> including use of highly biased arbitrators who almost always side with the 
> officer in matters of disciplinary action. They have even been able to 
> dictate what information can be shared with the public and even with the 
> police oversight committees themselves.
>
> All this because the state has granted the police unions the right to 
> negotiate the conditions of employment with their employers, which 
> includes the right to negotiate how they can and cannot be investigated 
> and disciplined for allegations of misconduct.
>
> Now, this isn't the case everywhere at the moment, but how would you like 
> it if this right was granted to every police union in the United States 
> and if federal law mandated that every police department in the US was 
> represented by a police officer's union?
>
> This is what House Bill HR 413: "The Public Safety Employer-Employee 
> Cooperation Act of 2009&#8243; sponsored by Dale Kildee (D-MI) and 204 
> other representatives, and it's Senate companion Senate bill S.1611 
> sponsored by Judd Gregg (R-NH) and 20 other senators, would do.
>
> This bill, if passed, would force all local and state governments to 
> follow these same problematic process that places like Seattle Washington 
> and other similar cities have to follow by allowing police unions dictate 
> police accountability and transparency policies for departments where 
> officers almost never get fired and, when they do, they are always rehired 
> with back pay at taxpayer expense after an expensive and biased appeals 
> process.
>
> In essence, this bill would risk making it much more difficult for every 
> local and state government in the US to hold their police officers 
> accountable for police misconduct. It would do more harm to issues of 
> police accountability and transparency that even Supreme Court Justice 
> Anton Scalia ever could. All because it forces every department to 
> negotiate disciplinary and public disclosure practices with police unions.
>
> Currently the National Fraternal Organization of Police is sending out 
> mailers encouraging it's members to start pressuring their representatives 
> and senators to support the bill based on assertions by US Rep Steny H. 
> Hoyer (D-MD) who assured police union leaders that "H.R. 413 would be 
> "among the first" bills considered on the House floor following the Easter 
> recess". Which has sparked the push for police unions across the US to 
> pressure congress into supporting the bill.
>
> This means that it's imperative that citizens call and write their 
> representatives twice as hard as the police unions do because of the 
> massive lobbying power that these unions possess through endorsements, 
> campaign contributions, and political pressure on "law and order" types of 
> congress members.
>
> If you doubt how influential police unions have been in their push to get 
> these bills passed, during the last congressional session in 2007-2008 the 
> equivalent of this bill, then called HR 980, passed overwhelmingly. 
> However, the bill was barely killed by a minority of Senators who attached 
> unpopular amendments to the bill after their filibuster failed in 2008.
>
> So, it's time to let your senators and representatives know about the 
> pitfalls these bills represent. unless, of course, you like the idea of an 
> unaccountable police force in every city, county, and state in America.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 21 comments to HR Bill 413 - A National Police Unaccountability Bill
>
>    *
>      Michaelk42
>      April 13th, 2010 at 9:33 AM
>
>      If anything, we need the opposite of this bill. Something that 
> federally prohibits secrecy in disciplinary records and requires 
> misconduct reporting.
>    *
>      Thomas R. Griffith
>      April 13th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
>
>      Hey Packratt, thanks a million for bringing this to our attention. 
> Regular news media isn't touching it. I hope that the students of Maryland 
> get wind of it and send out mass tweets, emails, blogcast, phone calls, 
> etc. alerting every single campus from coast to coast with a 'this could 
> be you' & 'Hr 413, Senate Bill S.1611 has to go' message.
>
>      I'm doing my part (calling/writing) today and I hope that others take 
> your advice to heart and do the same. Thanks again.
>
>      Re: the Maryland police beating, CNN's Rick is all over it and had a 
> former lawman turned expert on security for large events (Mr. Palumbo) he 
> showed just how misinformed or unaware he is when he said, "it doesn't 
> happen all that often." & "It's an isolated incident." While he was very 
> disgusted at the acts of violence, my message to Mr. Palumbo is Sir; you 
> need to spend the afternoon checking out Injustice Everywhere including 
> the Archives.
>      If CNN's Rick is listening, you need to book Packratt.
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 13th, 2010 at 1:18 PM
>
>      The BIGGEST misconception about police abuse is that cops get rid of 
> the bad ones! You always hear people say, "there's bad people in every 
> line of work". Well of course there is.
>
>      The difference is that normal people would be fired and sent to the 
> unemployment line if we committed crimes or abused our positions.
>
>      Cops are NOT like the rest of us in this regard!
>
>      The degree of this needs to be understood by the general public, AND 
> by ALL of our representatives, and REAL SOON.
>
>      "Police Efforts Against Accountability NEVER Stop"
>
>      "The first problem with this idea is that whenever police 
> disciplinary policies are changed to make them more lax, it becomes 
> exceedingly difficult to switch back from that due to union arbitration. 
> Police unions often defend officers disciplined for misconduct by pointing 
> out past disciplinary actions taken against other officers accused of 
> similar acts of misconduct. Once you set a policy that reduces that level 
> of discipline or abolish it all together, you cannot go back..If you do, 
> the union just says "look, you let that guy go for the same offense, by 
> disciplining this officer differently it's a matter of discrimination." 
> And arbitrators ALWAYS rule on precedent.
>
>      http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=834
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 13th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
>
>      YES, Thank You for letting us know about this!
>
>      "he showed just how misinformed or unaware he is when he said, "it 
> doesn't happen all that often." & "It's an isolated incident." "
>
>      Ignorance on the issue of police abuse-
>
>      THAT'S how they're going to try? to away with these 2 bills. Because 
> on the surface they look relatively harmless.
>
>      That's why I've posted all the past articles I can on the subject, so 
> any new readers can understand the REAL consequences of giving the police 
> unions {even more!?} power.
>
>      I am hoping to motivate others to get to work on this! It sure is 
> needed.
>    *
>      Union Fighting To Get Non Accountability Legislation Passed - 
> INGunOwners
>      April 13th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
>
>      [...] case in Seattle and it will spread nationwide of supporters of 
> this legislation get their way. via Injustice Everywhere [...]
>    *
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>      April 13th, 2010 at 6:03 PM
>
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>    *
>      FBM
>      April 13th, 2010 at 11:20 PM
>
>      California has many of these same measures in place already. But 
> coming from a city with a department with a convicted police chief, an 
> acting chief who covered it up, a deputy chief who announced his 
> retirement today, it's clear that our so-called police department had 
> serious problems with corruption even when it was released from its state 
> consent decree in 2006.
>    *
>      adam
>      April 13th, 2010 at 11:44 PM
>
>      I just emailed both Cantwell and Murray. Thanks for the info!
>    *
>      Packratt
>      April 14th, 2010 at 12:23 AM
>
>      Thank you Adam, I really appreciate that!
>
>      FBM, That's part of the point, there are states where this is already 
> the law, but not all states. These bills would make all police departments 
> just like the police departments where police unions have been able to 
> weaken disciplinary guidelines through contract negotiations. That nobody 
> is learning the lessons available to us is disheartening.
>    *
>      John P.
>      April 14th, 2010 at 1:38 AM
>
>      Just one step closer to Germany circa 1933
>
>      Just you wait, next up will be a modern day version of Hitlers, Night 
> and Fog Decree.
>    *
>      National Police Misconduct NewsFeed Daily Recap 04-13-10 « Injustice 
> Everywhere
>      April 14th, 2010 at 2:09 AM
>
>      [...] HR Bill 413 - A National Police Unaccountability Bill [...]
>    *
>      POLICE STATE
>      April 14th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
>
>      Ever since they allowed police to form unions, Law Enforcement(sic) 
> is run like a crime family and their cops are the street thugs in each 
> city. The best you can do is get a camera and try to have video evidence 
> against them because the odds are stacked against all of us. Cops and 
> their ilk will lobby hard for this bill because they are trying TO SUBVERT 
> ANY AND ALL FORMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. To all the people who still support 
> the criminal cops, you will get yours too someday. If not you personally, 
> your children or someone in your family. Once tyranny of a system starts 
> it only progresses to envelope the whole system.
>
> 
> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20100321_Why_it_s_so_hard_to_fire_a_Phila__police_officer.html?viewAll=y
>
> 
> http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20100319_Cops_in_beating_get_jobs_back__free_FOP_beer__Suspects_were_cleared__too.html
>
>      http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/90194952.html
>
> 
> http://citypaper.net/articles/2010/02/04/who-polices-the-philadelphia-police
>    *
>      T.Mann
>      April 14th, 2010 at 4:46 PM
>
>      Thanks for making everyone aware of this, I have contacted my Senator 
> and would like to mention to everyone, that you can do simply by going to 
> the Senate web site.
>    *
>      J.L. Smith
>      April 15th, 2010 at 5:09 AM
>
>      This iis a grat bill and much deserved by o firefighters and police. 
> I right to go broke ststes many of the public safety workers are living in 
> poverty and on foodstamps. This bill will help put an end to this type of 
> behavior, PASS THIS BIL NOW!
>    *
>      J.L. Smith
>      April 15th, 2010 at 5:12 AM
>
>      By the wat his bill already has enough vote in the House and Senate 
> to pass, Our great President Obama also advised he islooking forward to 
> signing the bill inti law by the end of April 2010.
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 9:49 AM
>
>      Do you know if this is true, that the President is looking forward to 
> signing this? Does anyone have a good sample letter for any who might to 
> new to writing their representatives?
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
>
>      As to the comments above mine, please. What about the fact that most 
> Americans live paycheck to paycheck, and countless of us have jobs without 
> important benefits like health insurance?
>
>      He's making some generalized statements which are far, far from the 
> truth. The real truth is, in most states cops and firefighters are paid 
> extremely well for a job that requires zero skills and only a high school 
> diploma. I've seen their cars.
>
>      Furthermore, there are already many avenues in place for them to 
> leverage for wage increases if need be. They don't need to stack the odds 
> any further against us real citizens.
>
>      Those comments just go to show you, they care far more about their 
> rights then ours. When confronted with monumental evidence of a problem, 
> all you get is silence and "we are good, we deserve this and that".
>
>      The Unaccountables
>
>      "I thought that it may be a good idea to look at the real-world 
> results of weakened accountability systems in police departments.
>
>      http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=861
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
>
>      Furthermore I think it's important to note that the UNION gets to 
> pick these arbitrators. This is NOT even close to a normal mediation or 
> jury system, where at least they're *supposed to be* neutral. Take note of 
> how even a POLICE CHIEF {of all people} has issues with one of these 
> arbitrators! Considering how many chiefs side with their men and sweep 
> stuff under the carpet, this just goes to show you how dangerous these 
> union imposed systems will be!
>
>      It's already bad enough as it is, we don't need any new legislation 
> to make things worse.
>
>      "Arbitrating Your Safety Away"
>
>      A Toledo Ohio police sergeant is greeted with protests after police 
> department is ordered by arbitrator to rehire him despite being found 
> guilty of threatening to arrest a woman at a convenience store if she did 
> not have sex with him. The officer is currently under investigation again 
> for alleged unsuitable comments made to home invasion victim.
>
>      Worcester Massachusetts police have been ordered by a permanent 
> arbitrator, who was chosen by name by the police officer's union, to 
> rehire a police officer who was accused of chasing down and pistol 
> whipping two 15-year-old and a 14-year-old kids for trespassing on his 
> lawn. The police chief there has vowed to appeal claiming the arbitrator 
> was biased in his decision.
>
>      http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=947
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
>
>      WOAH!! DO NOT MISS THE UPDATE HERE! Folks, it is really IMPERATIVE 
> that we contact our representatives IMMEDIATELY, as now they're trying to 
> cheat!
>
>      **I don't think it would hurt to e-mail out of state reps either.**
>
>      The police unions are COUNTING ON on the publics complete silence! I 
> know some might be thinking "it's a waste" but you never know if there's a 
> politician clever enough to fear reverberations from the public if 
> something they support goes bad. Besides we have a moral obligation to 
> fight this and-There's still time: 
> http://news.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3194/show
>
>      Here are some other perspectives on this so we can be better informed 
> and maybe use some of their verbiage in our e-mails. Of course the main 
> concern is the numerous abuses that would result from giving police unions 
> more power.
>
>      And another thing: this writer brings up an interesting point about 
> how badly police unions must be pushing for this, and why we MUST push 
> them back: "The fact that this bill was brought to the Senate floor 
> without proper committee consideration is a prime example of how hard 
> labor unions are working to advance their agenda in our nation's capital."
>
>      http://www.greenvillenc.org/Call-to-Action.804.0.html
>
>      "NATaT urges the Congress to reject this legislation because it 
> undermines town and township autonomy with respect to making fundamental 
> employment decisions, interferes with state and local laws, and may be 
> unconstitutional."
>
>      http://www.michigantownships.org/newsarticle.asp?SDBFid=217
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
>
>      UPDATE: THERE IS STILL {VERY LIMITED!} TIME TO OPPOSE THE ANTI POLICE 
> ACCOUNTABILITY BILL, S. 3194
>
>      "the senate stand adjourned until 10AM tomorrow morning"
>      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/292936-1
>
>      Here is the direct link to e-mail our representatives:
>
>      http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>
>      You can also e-mail Senators from other states, however "Please be 
> aware that as a matter of professional courtesy, many senators will 
> acknowledge, but not respond to, a message from another senator's 
> constituent." I don't think {doing this} would be a waste of time as one 
> never knows who may be receptive to the message.
>
>      For the most respectful, professional and articulate among us:
>
>      "You may phone the U.S. Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121. A 
> switchboard operator will connect you directly with the Senate office you 
> request."
>    *
>      no bad cops
>      April 15th, 2010 at 2:32 PM
>
>      This site, 
> http://unemployed-friends.forumotion.com/campaign-and-support-legislation-f79/e-mail-campaign-continues-take-action-t5352.htm
>      links to direct fax information for ten Senators, including Senator 
> Harry Reid:
>
>      http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm Fax: (202) 224-7327
>
>      Additionally, apparently there is a service called 
> http://faxzero.com/ which allows you to send two FREE faxes a day. It's 
> probably a good idea to fax the same message that you e-mail. And it's 
> free so why not?
>
>      I found yet another interesting viewpoint on this, which bears 
> repeating:
>
>      "the bill is so vague, there is no way to know what rules they would 
> put in place." {!}
>
>      "Contact.your own congressional representative as well as 
> Senators...and tell them to oppose the bill. Tell them that you know what 
> is best for your community. That.H.R. 413 and S 3194 would preempt local 
> control by placing us at the mercy of a federal agency. That the federal 
> government should respect the longstanding distinction between state and 
> local responsibilities and federal ones."
>
>      http://www.mml.org/advocacy/inside208/default.aspx
>
>
>
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