[Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response to Norbits'suspension

Sun Apr 25 12:04:52 CDT 2010

Sorry, Brian. It's an emotional topic and therefore especially hard to remember to forward to Peace-discuss instead of just hitting Reply all as per usual. Will try harder to remember. Thanks for the update, tho' I think we heard about that a while back. Hard to be patient w/ so much at stake. To be continued... --Jenifer 
--- On Sun, 4/25/10, Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brian Dolinar <briandolinar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Announce] And the FOP's response to Norbits'suspension
To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 10:14 AM

Again - would folks on the peace list please refrain from sending my emails to all of my email contacts and keep them on peace discuss only.

Yes, James Montomery, Jr., has filed a wrongful death civil suit in the county courthouse. 

BD

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

[Two threads going on this, so I'll repeat what I said in response to Karen's latest post regarding responsibility up the chain of command]
Obviously the Carrington's lawyer should also be considering the culpability of Norbits' supervisors AND whoever actually employs police officers and their supervisors -- the City of Champaign?? Seems there's plenty of guilt to go around. Has anybody had an update on this lately??
 --Jenifer  
--- On Sun, 4/25/10, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Announce] And the FOP's response to Norbits'suspension
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>

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Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 2:22 AM

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

[Taking this off Peace (again) and putting it on Peace-discuss (again)] 

Hello Justus (is this yr name or yr hope??),
I have long wondered if the Carrington's lawyer has been looking at bringing suit against Norbits for involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide, and if not, why not. Lots of information in yr email (which I hope is true) that  supports this. Thanks for the great additions to a sad, sad subject that fortunately does not seem to be going away any time soon.

 --Jenifer

There's a legal doctrine in civil law - I can't recall its Latin name at the moment - that makes the employer liable for acts of its employees - even arguably negligent acts - if the employee is acting within the regular scope of his/her employment.

In a more practical vein, Norbits isn't the one with the deep pockets.

Criminal law has a different set of rules, but as we've seen, Julia Reitz declines to prosecute criminally.  So, apparently, do the feds.

John "Justus" Wason

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Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 3:45 PM

I am new to this discussion group, but I like to pay attention to abuse of power in all of its forms. 

It seems Champaign is merely like any other city w/ a diverse population: we have a sizable minority, they are concentrated largely on one side of town, that side is largely poor or "lower-middle" class, and the police have an adversarial relationship to them. Not to mention an ignorant, reactionary mayor.

Looking specifically at the issue of police training, or SOP, and the issue of our police carrying the ubiquitous Glock semi-auto pistol, it seems that Officer Norbits did not follow procedure when pointing his weapon. I was part of a firearms safety/training program held by the U of I Police several years ago, and they showed us the proper way to hold a firearm, and in particular a handgun, was to keep the trigger finger held out straight and off of the trigger unless we were absolutely ready to fire. The Glock doesn't have an external safety, however, it has a small lever in the middle of the trigger that has to be depressed before the trigger itself can be squeezed. Officer Norbits clearly had his finger wrapped around the whole trigger, which by procedure is ready to fire. He obviously had the muzzle trained on Mr. Carrington, because the bullet ended up in his heart. Gun aimed at "center mass", finger on the trigger, does not sound like an
 accident. Norbits should be fired on the basis of negligent homicide. 

And why doesn't he (Norbits) resign? He killed an unarmed kid. Where is his conscience? Years ago, back in the 80's, there was a Champaign detective, can't remember his name, who shot and killed an armed man who had shot at officers when they went to arrest him. That detective resigned himself from the force. He had been cleared of any wrong doing. He clearly had the right to shoot when being shot at. Why did he quit being a cop? Apparently he had a hard time dealing with it in his mind. One should question if a cop should remain on a job where they might do it again. Champaign will be synonymous w/ New York City and other cities in having a cop being allowed to rejoin the force after gunning down unarmed, innocent civilians. Does anyone feel particularly safe w/ that cop working the beat? What side of town will he be patrolling? 

Another thing to consider, in New York, it was discovered that the Glocks used to kill Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell were modified. This made the triggers ultra sensitive, enabling the officers to squeeze a trigger more rapidly, thus being able to empty a 16 shot clip in 4 seconds. I wonder how our officers weapons are set up. Do we have officers patrolling with hair triggers?

Sounds like the CPD is a perpetual work in progress. Over the last two decades, a number of unarmed civilians have been killed by Champaign police when they should have been simply taken into custody. Whether it was the techniques used to restrain them, or use of firearms, the CPD is very slow to learn how to avoid this kind of tragedy. There is an element of danger out here, yes. Sometimes, the police might have to respond in a way that requires force. True. But what happened to Kiwane Carrington and others is entirely avoidable.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Justus Fortado

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