[Peace-discuss] The message of wiki-leaks…

[Brussel Morton K.]

I can't believe you read the whole piece by Street… You seem to have blinders on.

--mkb

On Aug 1, 2010, at 1:56 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> Even that's wrong.  It's not "dogged intransigence, etc." It's a consistent imperial policy, in the interest of dominant social groups in the US, who know that they can get the US populace to pay for it if they present it correctly, as they have.
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> That's not "regardless of the means or outcome, regardless of the possibility of reward." American planners certainly consider means and outcome; they display rationality as described by Weber in setting means to ends; and they're quite clear about how those ends involve "the possibility of reward" (to them).
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> They're not idiots, they're criminals.
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> That's been the US/Israeli policy for more than 40 years, the policy that Obama signed up for.  It involves a choice between hegemony and survival, so violates the other sense of rationality Weber spoke of.
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> Like Kennedy in the Cuban missile crisis (according to Sorensen's memoirs) they're "willing to accept a probability of 1/3 to 1/2 of nuclear war, in order to establish that the United States alone has the right" to control the world's greatest energy-producing region.
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> On 8/1/10 11:37 AM, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>> *From Paul Street on a ZNet article:*
>> 
>> “The lesson; no, the message; no, um, the takeaway of the leaked documents is
>> not: if only they knew how badly it's going, how hard it's going to be, then the
>> administration would bring an end to the conflict. Rather, the takeaway; no, the
>> message is that even knowing how badly the war goes, they persist. The lesson is
>> not the Administration's blindness, but its dogged intransigence, its total
>> commitment to the endeavor, regardless of the means or outcome, regardless of
>> the possibility of reward, regardless of the cost, regardless of suffering,
>> regardless of sense and duration. The United States has an institutional
>> commitment to the occupation of Afghanistan. It can't be argued out of it.”*[7]*
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>> One of the best reflections about Wiki-Leaks and related matters. See
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>> http://www.zcommunications.org/revealing-moments-by-paul-street
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