[Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!

[David Green]

"Bacevich's book might persuade those (79%) who are against the war in 
Afghanistan that the US needs to rethink its belief in military solutions and 
winnable wars AND its behavior twds the rest of the world."

I do retract my earlier comments on Bacevich's motives, which in any event are 
not central to the issue. I do think he's become a genuine opponent of American 
empire. 


That said, why do the 79% who already oppose the war (and many of whom perhaps 
oppose it on a more fundamentally principled and moral basis than Bacevich) need 
this book to "rethink" America's behavior?

Our leaders are not going to wake up one day and decide to behave in a moral and 
principled way. There are class interests to be promoted. And I don't think that 
Bacevich's references to George Washington, Eisenhower and M-I complex, 
Fulbright, etc. are helpful in this regard.

DG


 



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From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 10:32:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!


I don't understand yr reaction, David. We (Progressives, etc) already know our 
position and what the US's should be (which of course for most of us goes beyond 
Bacevich's), but it hasn't done us or the world much good. Bacevich's book might 
persuade those (79%) who are against the war in Afghanistan that the US needs to 
rethink its belief in military solutions and winnable wars AND its behavior twds 
the rest of the world. It also might persuade them that the problem stems (in 
part) from an imperialistic mindset that the US needs to abandon.  

I hope you agree that Bacevich's book (along w/ his MSM exposure) could be a 
start, could move things in the direction we want, could have some chance of 
success? 

 --Jenifer  

--- On Tue, 8/3/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!
>To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 3:17 PM
>
>
>Liberals will read it to comfort themselves about the "regrettable" wars they've 
>supported, and the "mistakes" that have been made.
>
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From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>To: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; David Green 
><davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 2:52:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!
>
>
>Bacevich will make the rounds, much as Wendell Potter did, and I'm betting his 
>new book will make the NYT's best seller list (tho' probably not Oprah's). 
>
> --Jenifer
>
>--- On Tue, 8/3/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!
>>To: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 10:06 AM
>>
>>
>>Whose taking Bacevich seriously? It's only the "progressives."
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
>>To: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>; David Green 
>><davegreen84 at yahoo.com>; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 1:47:46 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> 
wrote:
>>
>> 
>>One of MY main goals is to get US decision makers to rethink the policy of 
>>endless war, much as the European powers have done. Andrew Bacevich -- middle of 
>>the road ex army guy -- is getting far more media attention, and he's being 
>>taken more seriously than somebody from the radical left, and his message just 
>>may make a difference. I'm hoping it's a NYT Bestseller. 
>>
>>> --Jenifer
>>> 
>
>
>Amen.
>
>
>
>
>>--- On Mon, 8/2/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Andrew Bacevich -- check this out!!
>>>To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>, "Jenifer Cartwright" 
>>><jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>>Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 7:52 PM 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The "progressive" left loves to be all over any apparent crack in the 
>>>establishment facade. Sometimes, it's worthwhile in terms of an insider 
>>>perspective, cf., during the Bush Admin. But I think there's more than that 
>>>going on--the residual need for many on the left to show that they're not really 
>>>radical--that "respectable" people agree with them. And Bacevich has found his 
>>>niche there. He doesn't get any tough questions from Goodman, except somewhat 
>>>belatedly and pointlessly at the end. I'm not sure what they're thinking 
>>>interviewing this man in a softball match, or maybe I am sure and want to cut 
>>>Goodman some slack.
>>>
>>>DG 
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