[Peace-discuss] Pull a Green Party Ballot Today!

[C. G. Estabrook]

Damn. C-notes just don't go as far as they used to.

I'm glad you think my money's safe.  Especially since I think you're right on 
the other points.  --CGE

PS - 'Spook' has an interesting range of meanings, notably CIA agent...


Matt Reichel wrote:
> I doubt that on Super Bowl week any spooks would bother with a mere $200 in
> action.
> 
> As a Green Party organizer in Chicago and a candidate for the seat once held
> by the likes of Blago and Rahmbo, I must say that I believe we will elect a
> Green in November. Saying anything else would be just plain stupid. Greens
> must act composed and behave as if they have just as much of a chance as
> anyone else.
> 
> Some people might say that Greens will NEVER win in the states (despite their
> resounding success in other countries.) People also said that a Republican
> would never win the Kennedy Senate seat. Whoever these people are, maybe we
> should stop listening to them?
> 
> With a ruling Democratic Party that is this bad, anything can happen. We will
> see that anything this November.
> 
> And I guarantee that the bloodbath in Iraq and Afghanistan will be ongoing.
> 
> - Matt
> 
> P.S. - There is no doubt that the implosion of the anti-war movement had 
> everything to do with the Democrats, primarily John Kerry and Barack Obama. I
> was around in 2004 to see people disappear from meetings and rallies, only to
> turn up at Obama for Senate organizing sessions or Kerry fundraisers. It made
> me so sick I had to leave the country for a few years.
> 
>> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:40:32 -0600 From: galliher at illinois.edu To:
>> naiman.uiuc at gmail.com CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re:
>> [Peace-discuss] Pull a Green Party Ballot Today!
>> 
>> I'm staking my two Benjamins not on the notion that there'll be a Green 
>> representative any time soon, but on the conviction that the US won't
> leave
>> Afghanistan (or Iraq) short of a war of more than Vietnamese scale
> (60,000
>> Americans and 4 million Asians dead, many more maimed) - unless it's
> forced to
>> politically, here at home. And I'd gladly pay $200 in that event. --CGE
>> 
>> Robert Naiman wrote:
>>> If anyone rats us out, we can argue that the stakes are too small to be 
>>> considered real gambling. By the time any of us gets to collect, we
> won't
>>> even be able to take each other out to a nice dinner on it.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Which side of the bet do you want, Ricky?
>>>> 
>>>> The same as Bob? If so, I've got you faded.
>>>> 
>>>> We're going to get chambana.net busted for making book...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>> I agree with all this, and I'll also bet anyone the same $100 on
> the same
>>>>> terms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricky
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- On *Thu, 2/4/10, Robert Naiman /<naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> Subject: Re:
> [Peace-discuss]
>>>>> Pull a Green Party Ballot Today! To: "Morton K. Brussel" 
>>>>> <brussel at illinois.edu> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" 
>>>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: Thursday, February 4,
> 2010, 3:31
>>>>> PM
>>>>> 
>>>>> I certainly agree with Mort that there is no "pat resolution" to the 
>>>>> dilemmas that we face.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But some of the logic here escapes me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheryle Jackson didn't fail because she was "caught in the
> Democratic
>>>>> party web." She failed because she didn't get enough votes in the 
>>>>> Democratic primary. If more people had voted for her in the
> Democratic
>>>>> primary, she would have won. How people who are anti-war can be 
>>>>> indifferent to this escapes me. Jackson was competitive in the
> City of
>>>>> Chicago. If there were a real statewide anti-war movement that was 
>>>>> prepared to intervene in Democratic primaries, the outcome could
> have
>>>>> been different.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems odd to me to punish anti-war candidates running as
> Democrats by
>>>>> not voting for them, for the failure of other Democrats to be
> anti-war.
>>>>> Are the Green Party representatives in Congress doing a better job of
>>>>>  opposing the war than the anti-war Democrats? No, because there
> are no
>>>>> Green Party representatives in Congress. And it is extremely
> likely that
>>>>> there will never be any in our lifetime. Is voting for the Green
> Party an
>>>>> effective strategy for ending the wars, when Green Party
> candidates are
>>>>> unlikely to ever be in a position of voting on it? I'll bet anyone on
>>>>>  this list $100 that the last U.S. soldier will leave Afghanistan
> before
>>>>> any Green Party candidates are elected to Congress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If Green Party activists can figure out a way to undertake their 
>>>>> long-term - and quite uncertain - project of transformation without 
>>>>> getting in the way of here-and-now efforts to address the wars
> and other
>>>>> social ills, then I have no dispute with them. But if they insist on 
>>>>> trying to obstruct more practical efforts, then they have to
> expect some
>>>>> push-back.

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