[Peace-discuss] {Disarmed} {Disarmed} Re: Obama lies aboutnukes, too

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IT IS also Bob, about low wages !

Especially when the wages earned in sweatshops are not enough to feed the 
family.

Not to mention the fact that, how are workers in developed countries ( and 
not so developed countries ) suppose to compete against sweatshop starvation 
wages ?

David Johnson

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aboutnukes, too


Also, it's important to recognize that what makes a production
facility deserve the name "sweatshop" isn't really a question of low
wages. It's about abusive power relations. Typically, reports on
"sweatshops" include things like workers not being allowed to go to
the bathroom, workers being locked inside production facilities,
workers being subjected to sexual harassment with no recourse, etc.
Are these things necessary in order to bring about low-cost
production? Of course they are not. It's not about international
competition; it's about treating people like dirt because you can. And
when the production is supported by demand in the United States, those
abuses could be easily stopped, and life would go on as before,
without the abuses.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> 
wrote:
>
> I think you have to ask the people in these "places" what they think, if 
> care about old-fashioned values like democracy and freedom.
>
> I know that in Haiti, for example, the US puppet "leaders" and 
> export-enriched elites (big latifundista landowners, Disney and Wal-Mart 
> subcontractors, etc.) are generally the only ones who welcome sweatshops. 
> Peasant and worker organizations generally reject them, and the "free 
> trade" zones that come with them.
>
> Ricky
>
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
> --- On Sat, 1/16/10, rlangenh at illinois.edu <rlangenh at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> From: rlangenh at illinois.edu <rlangenh at illinois..edu>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama lies about nukes, too
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>, "Stuart Levy" 
> <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 11:51 AM
>
> In some places, bad as it may be, introduction of sweatshops represents 
> economic progress. Ralph Langenheim
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