[Peace-discuss] These people should be locked up & silenced...

Sat Mar 6 14:47:45 CST 2010

Heidi Beirich at the SPLC had this to say about the move to audit the 
Federal Reserve and the Jekyll Island meeting last summer.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/midwifing-the-militias

Ms. Beirich uses the term anti-semitic several times.  I am not a huge fan 
of Bob Schulz but painting him and his group as anti-semitic seems to be 
beyond the pale.

(By the way, Republic Broadcasting is a different outfit from 
RepublicMedia.com)

Interestingly another publication of the "Extreme Right" (the Huffington 
Post) is publishing articles that are critical of the Federal Reserve.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/03/stiglitz-nobel-prize-winn_n_484943.html?just_reloaded=1

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From: "David Green" <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
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"I had nothing in particular against the ADL or even the SPLC for that 
matter but these rather unmerited attacks did turn up some interesting 
findings about their activities and makes one wonder why they are doing it."

You should have something against them. Until the 60s, the ADL was largely 
legitimate, focused on genuine anti-Semitism from the right, mostly from 
wealthy (and racist) individuals and popular commentators. Since then, it's 
been focused primarily on criticism of Israel from the left, which is 
labeled anti-Semitism. The SPLC has never been legitimate, focusing on 
"hate" as defined by mainstream liberals and conservatives, but not (as far 
as I know) treading on ADL "anti-Semitism" turf. This is an interesting 
relationship, which I have not heard about. Everyone knows that the ADL is a 
joke. Perhaps partly as a result of this, it will also be more widely known 
about SPLC. And of course, they can take "teaching tolerance" and the 
horrible Wisenthal Center with them. And all of this is very much related to 
identify "angry populists" with conspiracy theorists, violence, etc.

DG

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The Anti-Defamation League is involved with the SPLC in the preparation of 
these reports and press releases. That is not a conspiracy theory, it's a 
fact. The ADL is also active in special "training" for state and local 
police, some of which training occurs in Israel. Illinois State Police 
personnel were included in such training in Israel in 2009.

The ADL and the SPLC were involved in the 2009 release of "information" to 
state "Fusion Centers" including the somewhat famous release of 
"information" regarding supporters of Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul and 
anti-abortion groups. ADL tends to stay behind the scenes in the press 
releases but details of ADL's involvement can be found on the ADL website.

I had nothing in particular against the ADL or even the SPLC for that matter 
but these rather unmerited attacks did turn up some interesting findings 
about their activities and makes one wonder why they are doing it.

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Dobbs, Beck, Palin, Bachmann Share Blame
For Rise in Right-Wing Extremism, Says Activist Group
Southern Poverty Law Center Cites Violent Incidents;
Lou Dobbs Calls SPLC Director 'Paranoid'
By ANNA SCHECTER
March 3, 2010 —

Anti-government sentiments in the U.S. have reached levels so high they 
could
result in another attack like the Oklahoma City bombing, according to a 
report
released Tuesday by an organization that tracks right-wing extremists and 
the
authors of the report place part of the blame on Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Rep.
Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin.

In a statement to ABC News, Lou Dobbs hit back at the director of the group 
that
prepared the report, calling him "paranoid."

A host of recent attacks on law enforcement, plots against President Obama, 
and
a shooting at Washington, D.C.'s Holocaust museum are "signs of the times," 
said
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit group 
that
monitors militias, white supremacists, and other extremist activity. Potok 
made
his comments during a teleconference with reporters to promote the SPLC's 
latest
annual report on hate-group activity.

"We've seen more threats and actual attacks in the past 18 months than we've
seen at any given period over the past 15 years," claimed Potok.

Potok said he blames some public personalities and conservative politicians 
for
inciting fear.

Potok cited talk-show host Glenn Beck for stoking fears that the Federal
Emergency Management Agency is running concentration camps, former CNN host 
Lou
Dobbs for incurring fears about supposed Mexican plots to take over the
southwestern U.S., Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., for making statements 
about
secret political reeducation camps, and former vice presidential candidate 
Sarah
Palin for referring to Obama "death panels" during the health care debate.
Bachmann and Beck are also cited by name in the SPLC's report, but Dobbs and
Palin are not.

"These people help to bring completely groundless conspiracy theories from 
the
margins into the mainstream," said Potok.

In a phone interview, Dobbs scoffed at the report. "It's sad that Mr. Potok
insists upon maintaining his paranoia, and I hope that he recovers."

"Beyond that, I have nothing to say about the man," said Dobbs.

'Another Oklahoma City Is Very Much a Possibility'

A spokesperson for Beck declined comment. Spokespersons for Bachmann and 
former
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin did not respond by press time to requests for 
comment.

Bachmann and Beck are discussed in the report itself as possible sources of
anger, while Potok cited Palin and Dobbs in separate articles accompanying 
the
report.

The latest annual SPLC report, "Rage on the Right," claims there has been a
startling rise in numbers of extremist groups, particularly in the Patriot
movement and militias, the paramilitary branches of these Patriot groups.
Patriot groups see the federal government as their primary enemy and adhere 
to
extreme antigovernment doctrines, frequently believing in groundless 
conspiracy
theories.

According to the SPLC's figures, the number of active Patriot groups grew 
from
149 to 512, an increase of 363 groups (244 percent) in 2009, and the number 
of
militia groups grew from 42 to 127, an increase of 85 groups (200 percent) 
in
2009. The number of nativist vigilante organizations that go beyond 
advocating
strict immigration policy and actually confront or harass suspected 
immigrants
grew from 173 to 309, an increase 136 groups (almost 80 percent) in 2009, 
the
report said.

The number of hate groups based on racism, anti-Semitism and anti-gay 
sentiment
grew from 926 to 932 in 2009. SPLC said this increase caps a decade in which 
the
number of hate groups surged by 55 percent from 2000 to 2009 (602 groups to 
932).

Potok says the expansion of hate groups in 2009 would have been much greater 
if
not for the demise of the American National Socialist Workers Party, a key
neo-Nazi group whose founder, Bill White, was arrested in October 2008. The
group had 35 chapters.

Taken together, these three radical strands -- antigovernment Patriot 
groups,
nativist extremist groups and hate groups -- increased their numbers by
approximately 40 percent in 2009, according to Potok.

Potok said one of the main fears is that these radical groups are 
infiltrating
mainstream groups like the Tea Party movement because of cross pollination 
of
individuals who attend radical group meetings and more mainstream 
gatherings.

Potok said he thinks that the climate today matches that of the 'white hot'
tension among anti-government groups prior to the Oklahoma City bombing that
killed 150 people in 1995.

"Another Oklahoma City is very much a possibility," said Potok.

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