[Peace-discuss] [Discuss] Fw: What hath got rot?

[Melodye]

Well John---if you re read my email more carefully. I was not all  
inclusive. Nor did I pay particular attention to who was the harshest  
or most favorable.  Quite frankly, I don't really care whose in favor  
and whose not.  That said.  I believe my bigger point was----and  
remains---who on this forum has paid more than lip service when it's  
come to finding a solution to a health care system that has been F'd  
up for decades.   And forgive me, John, but it seems u were getting  
screwed before this Health agenda moved forward so why are u so hostile?

Now. Before you misread the spirit of my email again.  I am asking a  
question in regard to my remark about lip service.  So, if u have been  
actively  working with policy makers in Springfield and DC on any  
issues related to The health care industry---especially the one you  
have been held hostage to--and your work in the area of this complaint  
has been to champion the rights of others who have suffered like you--- 
perhaps created a group or joined a group who has been pushing CHANGE  
by lobbying the policy makers who sit on whatever subcommittee you  
need to influence---and all those years of consistently pushing your  
agenda forward to no avail has resulted in the Monday Night  
quarterbacking I am reading in this forum---then I humbly withdraw my  
previous comments and offer my sincerest apologies


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On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:03 PM, "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On this list, three of us have been and are the harshest critics of  
> the new health care 'reform' bill:  Carl, Dave Johnson, and me.  I'm  
> curious which of the three of us has NOT, in the eyes of Bob and  
> Melodye, worked our asses off to try to make both the local  
> community and the larger society a better place, according to our  
> lights and talents.  Name some fucking names.
>
> The way I see it, most of the folks on this list have decent health  
> insurance, so they have the luxury of being "ambivalent" about the  
> health care bill, reminding us of its many virtues and counseling us  
> to take a 'wait and see' approach.  I, on the other hand, have no  
> health insurance, and will NOT have Medicare when I'm 65 due to a  
> quirk in the law over which I had and have no control.  I can't  
> speak for Carl and Dave, but I have actually suffered the indignity  
> of sitting in the Frances Nelson Clinic, getting a different doctor  
> every time, KNOWING that there were tests not being performed  
> because Frances Nelson could not perform them in-house, and having  
> pills shoved at me which I KNEW would do no good but which were all  
> that Frances Nelson had to offer.  Having to present proof of income  
> documents over and over so that even Frances Nelson's precious and  
> scarce resources would not be "wasted" on me.
>
> The only decent medical care I've received in LIFE was at McKinley  
> Clinic when I was a student at UIUC.  They have government-run,  
> "socialized" medicine there; the doctors are on salary and all the  
> services are "free", even the prescription meds, paid for by a  
> student fee.  There I finally found a physician (female - God bless  
> her) who cared about me as a human being, and ordered tests that  
> were based on what I as a patient NEEDED rather than on what I could  
> afford or on what paid the doctor the most money.  Sadly, when I  
> ceased to be a student I could no longer avail myself of her  
> services.  God bless her.
>
> So I'm afraid I can't be as blase as the rest of you about this  
> shitty bill which leaves health insurance companies firmly in  
> control.  Nothing at all has changed for me, not a God-damned  
> thing.  And you can bet that if nothing has changed for me, it's not  
> changing for millions of other Americans who are not, perhaps, as  
> articulate as I am.
>
> Oh, yes, I forgot.  Something HAS changed for me after all, or it  
> will in - what?  2014?   I'll be mandated to purchase a terrible  
> private-sector health insurance plan, with money I don't have and  
> with deductibles and co-pays so high I won't ever be able to  
> actually use it, or else I'll be fined for my failure to purchase  
> it.  Please forgive me if I don't see that as a benefit.
>
> Yeah, I'll shut up now.  Every time I try to talk personal realities  
> "on the ground" rather than abstractions, all the liberals' eyes  
> start darting around the room, looking for an escape route.  Don't  
> think I don't see it.
>
> John W.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Bob Illyes <illyes at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Melodye writes:
>
> "It never ceases to amaze me how some of the biggest critics (on  
> every subject) coming out of the shadows have done---- what?"
>
> Precisely, Melodye.
>
> Some pretext is generally behind this lack of accomplishment. A  
> "Christian" pretext is that because of Original Sin it is not  
> possible for a person to do good. A "Marxist" pretext is that the  
> middle class will always prevent political progress, which isn't  
> possible because the middle class is not yet destroyed. Market  
> Fundamentalism supplies its own unsubstantiated theology. But don't  
> be fooled. These are just excuses to hold in contempt those who do  
> their part to leave the world better rather than worse. These  
> critics get off on contempt. They attempt to set up abusive  
> relationships with those who would do good.
>
> On a slightly different subject, I confess I have never seen  
> anything quite so revolting as the Social Darwinian arguments coming  
> from opponents of the efforts of our first black President and our  
> first woman Speaker. (Their race and gender have nothing to do with  
> this, right?) In the Gilded Age, it was seriously proposed that  
> charity was vice, because it lessened the pressure on those on the  
> bottom to change their evil ways. And now the new Gilded Age has  
> arrived, with the same recycled pseudo-scientific nonsense, that we  
> all already get what we deserve.....
>
> Bob

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