[Peace-discuss] Fw: Re: [CentralILJwJ] Fw: Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill

Jenifer Cartwright jencart13 at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 26 09:53:19 CDT 2010



Thanks for the additional info, Claudia -- it's reassuring to know this. --Jenifer

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Claudia Lennhoff <claudia at shout.net> wrote:

From: Claudia Lennhoff <claudia at shout.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:47 AM

Hi Jenifer,

You are correct that co-pays for preventive care will be abolished. Any 
new health plans cannot charge co-pays or co-insurance.

For Medicare, they are adding an annual check up that will be covered 
(right now, Medicare only covers a check up when you
 first get signed 
up, and then every other year). Also, there will be no out of pocket 
expenses for preventive care -- so, my client who can't afford her $100 
copay for her colonoscopy, which she is supposed to get because of past 
health issues, will be able to get the colonoscopy.

Thanks, as always, for being a voice of reason and compassion.

Take care.
Claudia


On 3/25/10 10:02 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> THANKS for taking the time to write this, Claudia.
>
> Friends, I'm more disgusted w/ the naysayers on the left than those on
> the right. The former care about their fellow humans and should know
> that a half a loaf is a start; the latter begrudge the poor the merest
> crumb...
> However, many of us progressives were holding out for the public option
> in the hopes that Congress would cave and add it to the present bill,
> making it better prior to
 passage... but a friend pointed out that that
> adding it now (when the bill is already on shaky ground) would cause
> more to vote against it, causing the bill to fail, which is NOT what we
> really want. So yes, the thing to do is pass this bill, warts and all,
> and work hard to make it better.
>
> I do want to say is that $437/month is a lot of money, more than many
> can afford, not to mention the co-pays and other out-of-pocket medical
> expenses not covered by ins on top of that... which makes it 'way more
> than many can manage (my sister is an invalid w/ serious health problems
> and "affordable" insurance PLUS astronomical medical bills, so I know
> what I'm talking about!)... but fortunately, as I understand it, the new
> Healthcare Reform Bill addresses this as well, so that sick people w/
> ins and houses have a shot at keeping their homes (right, it's not
 where
> it should be... yet). And of course, many "seniors" are not eligible for
> Medicare part B.... Again, on a positive note, I think I read somewhere
> that the Healthcare Reform Bill provides FREE preventive care -- regular
> check ups, shots, etc -- to children and some adults (sorry, I can't
> remember the specifics on this).
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/24/10, Claudia Lennhoff /<claudia at shout.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Claudia Lennhoff <claudia at shout.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [CentralILJwJ] Fw: Fact Sheet: The
>     Truth About the Health Care Bill
>     To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
>     Cc: "JWJ C-U" <centralILJwJ at yahoogroups.com>, "Dave Powers"
>     <pengdust at aol.com>, "Neil Parthun" <lennybrucefan at gmail.com>,
>     "sf-core" <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>, "william gorrell"
>     <laborhour at yahoo.com>, "Jim Eyman" <banjogramps at yahoo.com>, "Tristan
>     geo/iww B" <tristan.bunner at gmail.com>, "Damien Mathew"
>     <dmathew at mailaps.org>, "Dan Elgin ( 2nd e-mail )"
>     <danelgin at gmail.com>, "Peace-discuss"
>     <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Bill Gorrell" <laborer at mchsi.com>
>     Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 11:30 PM
>
>     Dear Dave, and all,
>
>     Dave Johnson forwarded this message which contains seriously
>     bad/wrong advice.
>
>     The only reason I'm responding is because this message went to a lot
>     of people through listservs, and the advice or recommendation in it
>     is so dangerous that I feel it must be addressed.
>
>     Also, I'm tired of some of the very narrow analysis of the health
>     reform law.
>
>     I will say my peace here, and I won't be writing back or engaging in
>     an e-mail discussion about this,
 since I already work on health
>     reform and health system change and am regularly communicating about
>     these issues.
>
>     So, for what it's worth, these are the comments I wanted to offer
>     (it's lengthy, but I hope helpful and interesting, if nothing else).
>
>     Regarding what I see as a very dangerous assertion:
>
>     Suggesting that a family of four would be better off saving the
>     supposed $5,243 they would pay for insurance, to go uninsured
>     instead, and use those "savings" to pay directly for medical care is
>     really bad advice. That is $437 a month. What if someone gets
>     diagnosed with cancer or has a car accident and needs
 emergency
>     surgery and then follow-up care and physical therapy? A family of
>     four implies 2 - 3 children. Children need regular health care, and
>     they tend to need more health care visits throughout the year. What
>     if a child breaks his/her arm. Do people have any idea how much that
>     costs? An appendicitis would easily wipe out that amount. The people
>     giving this advice apparently have NO concept of the cost of care,
>     or the fact that when you run out of money and can't pay for your
>     care, you are out of luck -- no matter how much chemo you need, or
>     how much physical therapy you need, etc. Your care stops. What if
>     you need care, AND a medical
 device, like a CPAP? If you think it
>     doesn't happen to cancer patients, think again. We at CCHCC see this
>     situation, in some form or another, every single day.
>
>     How can anyone give such advice? It makes me think that they must be
>     totally out of touch with the cost of care and the fact that we as
>     consumers/patients have no knowledge in advance of what we will
>     need, and what it will cost us. Or maybe these people are proponents
>     of medical savings accounts? (their suggestion is actually the
>     "logic" behind medical savings accounts - a bad idea for most people)
>
>     Also, where is the consideration about the fact that uninsured
> 
    consumers are charged the highest sticker price for care, frequently
>     2 to 5 times higher than the cost of care charged to an insurer, and
>     that's part of why uninsured individuals can amass so much medical
>     debt? This is really dangerous advice and seems very out of touch.
>
>     I don't know much about Jane Hamsher and whether she has health
>     insurance or is personally wealthy and could forego health insurance
>     because she has the means to pay for her care directly. I know she's
>     had cancer and has gotten treatment for it, unlike some of my
>     low-income uninsured patients. Most people don't have the means to
>     pay for the care they need out of
 pocket.
>
>     Moving on, I also want to offer this editorial comment:
>
>     It's amazing to me how many people want to act like this new law,
>     unlike the current situation, is a windfall for insurance companies
>     -- AS IF the current (pre-health reform) situation is not.
>
>     Of course the new law is a windfall for insurance companies! But at
>     least it provides protection to consumers who will be purchasing
>     health insurance, unlike the current situation, and it forces
>     private insurance companies to insure those whom they currently
>     refuse to insure or whom they price out of the market.
>
>     If anyone thinks that the current
 (pre-health reform) situation is
>     not a windfall for insurance companies, they are sadly mistaken. The
>     fact of the matter is that insurance companies, right now, because
>     of the lack of regulation, actually make far more profits by
>     refusing coverage to many, while jacking up the rates for existing
>     members, than they would if they tried to insure a larger number of
>     people, including those with health problems.
>
>     In other words, right now, they make record profits from
>     cherry-picking, denying coverage, and also from the extra $1,000 or
>     more built into everyone's premiums to cover the cost for the
>     uninsured. And if you think you're not
 paying for it even if you
>     don't have health insurance, think again. You pay taxes, don't you?
>     Most government employees have health coverage (whether they are
>     teachers, state employees, etc.) through employment, with private
>     insurance companies, and that's subsidized by taxpayers.
>
>     The current situation is not just a windfall for private insurance
>     -- it is a tremendous burden for we, the people (directly, and
>     through our taxes). And what do we get right now? Uninsurance.
>
>     Because currently insurance companies do NOT have to insure sick
>     people, the sick people -- and therefore the costliest people --
>     frequently land on the
 government programs such as Medicaid and
>     Medicare (if they live long enough to get Medicare), community
>     health centers, and hospital ER's (all federally subsidized), and
>     the government -- meaning US, the taxpayers (whether insured or
>     uninsured) pay the lion's share of the cost of providing care to our
>     nation's sickest (remember also that the sickest 10% of the people
>     account for 70% of the costs in Medicare).
>
>     In other words, right now, even with 45 million uninsured, WE are
>     paying these high costs, but we are paying with our money, AND our
>     lives (rather, the uninsured are paying with their lives).
>
>     I'm really tired of, and
 disgusted with, these very narrow analyses
>     where people act like the current disasterous situation has somehow
>     NOT been a windfall for insurance companies. It IS a windfall
>     already, AND people are going uninsured, getting sick and disabled,
>     suffering, and dying prematurely -- I see this all the time at CCHCC.
>
>     I want to see Medicare for all. And we're working on it. But I think
>     it's dangerous and irresponsible to act as if people will not
>     benefit from the health reform law that just passed. People WILL
>     benefit -- even as the insurance companies benefit. But right now,
>     pre-health reform, ONLY insurance companies benefit.
>
>     I
 thought it was dangerous and irresponsible for some progressives
>     to say that this bill was worse than no bill, and to act as if this
>     bill somehow precluded the possibility for single-payer.
>
>     I probably hate health insurance companies more than anyone I know
>     -- I am VERY intimately acquainted with the very dirty tricks they
>     play, and I've witnessed the devastation of individuals and families
>     when health insurance companies find ways to not cover care. Even
>     with my views and awareness, however, don't try to take away my
>     PersonalCare health coverage! Without health insurance, I would have
>     been dead several years ago when I got very sick with a
 mysterious
>     illness that took 6 years to figure out. Without health insurance, I
>     couldn't have gotten it figured out because I couldn't have pursued
>     care and diagnosis (and treatment), and I would have been long dead.
>
>     If I could, I'd give every single one of my uninsured clients
>     private health insurance right now! Just as I would give them
>     Medicaid or Medicare -- anything I could get my hands on in order
>     for them to have a passport to health care. I'm not "too pure" to
>     walk away from a private plan if it will help someone.
>
>     Jane Hamsher says "I understand the temptation to offer 30 million
>     people health care." The
 "temptation?" That's like saying "I
>     understand the temptation to feed starving people." For those of us
>     who work on the front lines, it is not a temptation but an
>     imperative. This isn't theoretical for us. This is life and death,
>     health and disability, suffering and wellness -- no trivial thing.
>
>     People who say that it is bad that we are going to insure "only" 30
>     million of the currently uninsured with this bill and we should
>     therefore hold off on health reform until we have national
>     single-payer are basically saying that they would be willing to
>     sacrifice the health, and possibly the lives of those 30 million
>     until we can get
 something "better." Really? That can't really be
>     the progressive position, can it?
>
>     Also, remember that it's not just 30 million -- without this
>     legislation, the number of uninsured was going to continue to climb
>     every single day, week, month, and year - and this would mean that
>     the number of people who would die simply because they lacked health
>     coverage would also continue to climb.
>
>     And yeah, I hate that the main provisions of the new law won't take
>     effect until 2014, but before this law, what year were people going
>     to finally get health coverage and protection from the abuses of the
>     health insurance industry? Also, what
 makes people think that
>     advocates and organizers are just going to be sitting around waiting
>     for 2014, as opposed to working on new legislation to help bring
>     better changes?
>
>     Maybe those who are new to the struggle and the issue think that we
>     just sit back passively once legislation has been passed, and then
>     live with those consequences, rather than working day in and day
>     out, year and year out, to make progress.
>
>     Medicare was not created whole with one piece of legislation.
>     Neither was Social Security. But by some people's current analysis
>     of health reform, they would have advocated against those landmark
> 
    social programs because they didn't go far enough when first
>     proposed, or because they also involved the private for-profit
>     sector in some form or another.
>
>     As much antipathy as I have for health insurance companies, my
>     compassion for people is far stronger. I'm not too "pure" to say
>     that private health insurance coverage is better than no coverage.
>
>     Also, I reject the notion that working to advance this health reform
>     legislation is against the interests of single payer. This
>     legislation takes government overpayments away from private Medicare
>     Advantage insurance companies and strengthens Medicare -- the very
> 
    program on which single-payer will be based. Medicare has been
>     getting raided for years by the Medicare Advantage program, yet
>     where were all these new "experts" on health reform? CCHCC has been
>     working with other advocacy organizations for years to get
>     legislation passed that would cut these overpayments.
>
>     Lastly, people should know that the new health reform bill has a
>     state waiver that allows states to opt out of the health reform law
>     if the state is able to find another means to provide coverage for
>     everyone. Yes, there are critiques of the state waiver, but it is
>     not just a gimmick, as has been suggested. It is a tool to work
> 
    with, and we can always work to improve the waiver. No one ever said
>     single payer was going to be easy. Being right (correct) is not
>     enough. We always have to be working and building on whatever gains
>     we make. That's how we'll get there.
>
>     I just really don't understand why certain progressives only
>     critique (not always accurately) the health reform law, but avoid
>     providing information about the benefits of the law. Believe it or
>     not (and, if I may say so, I think I should know), there ARE
>     benefits. To me, being a progressive was never just about having an
>     analysis and a critique. It was about working for justice, and
> 
    central to that is working to improving people's lives.
>
>     We at CCHCC will continue our work with the single-payer movement
>     nationally and statewide, even as we work hard as hell to get people
>     the benefits of this new legislation.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Claudia Lennhoff, CCHCC Executive Director
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 3/24/10 7:14 PM, unionyes wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      > 
>      >
>      > ----- Original Message -----
>      > *From:* David Sladky <mailto:tanstl at aol.com
> 
    </mc/compose?to=tanstl at aol.com>>
>      > *To:* usgp-media at gp-us.org </mc/compose?to=usgp-media at gp-us.org>
>     <mailto:usgp-media at gp-us.org </mc/compose?to=usgp-media at gp-us.org>>
>      > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:40 AM
>      > *Subject:* Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill
>      >
>      >
>     
 >
>      > Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill
>      >
>      > March 22, 2010 by Healthcare-NOW!
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/author/jtmhcn/>
>      > Filed under Single-Payer News
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/category/single-payer-news/>
>      >
>      > *
>      >
>      > Firedoglake released this fact sheet
>      >
>     <http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/03/mythfactshcr-2.pdf> that
>      > exposes some myths about the bill passed on Sunday.
>      > By Jane Hamsher for Firedoglake
>      >
>     <http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/19/fact-sheet-the-truth-about-the-health-care-bill/>
>      > –
>      > The Firedoglake health care team has been covering the debate in
>      > congress since it began last year. The health care bill will come
>     up for
>      > a vote in the House on Sunday, and as Nancy Pelosi works to wrangle
>      > votes, we’ve been
 running a detailed whip count on where every
>     member of
>      > Congress stands, updated throughout the day.
>      > We’ve also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up
>     with 18
>      > often stated myths about this health care reform bill.
>      > Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the
>     start. It
>      > is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and
>      > hurts many people more than it helps.
>      > A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay
>      > $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this
>     leaves them
>   
   > with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to
>      > cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education
>      > costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses
>      > for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already
>      > struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in
>     insurance
>      > costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being
>      > forced to by coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.
>      > In addition, there is already a booming movement across the
>     country to
>      > challenge the mandate. Thirty-three states already have bills
 moving
>      > through their houses, and the Idaho governor was the first to sign it
>      > into law yesterday. In Virginia it passed through both a Democratic
>      > House and Senate, and the governor will sign it soon. It will be
>     on the
>      > ballot in Arizona in 2010, and is headed in that direction for many
>      > more. Republican senators like Dick Lugar are already asking
>     their state
>      > attorney generals to challenge it. There are two GOP think tanks
>      > actively helping states in their efforts, and there is a booming
>      > messaging infrastructure that covers it beat-by-beat.
>      > Whether Steny Hoyer believes the legality of the bill will
 prevail in
>      > court or not is moot, it could easily become the “gay marriage”
>     of 2010,
>      > with one key difference: there will be no one on the other side
>      > passionately opposing it. The GOP is preparing to use it as a massive
>      > turn-out vehicle, and it not only threatens representatives in states
>      > like Florida, Colorado and Ohio where these challenges will
>     likely be on
>      > the ballot — it threatens gubernatorial and down-ticket races as
>     well.
>      > Artur Davis, running for governor of Alabama, is already being put on
>      > the spot about it.
>      > While details are limited, there is apparently
 a “Plan B” alternative
>      > that the White House was considering, which would evidently expand
>      > existing programs — Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the
>     people
>      > at a quarter of the price, but it would not force an unbearable
>      > financial burden to those who are already struggling to get by.
>     Because
>      > it creates no new infrastructure for the purpose of funneling
>     money to
>      > private insurance companies, there is no need for Bart Stupak’s
>     or Ben
>      > Nelson’s language dealing with abortion — which satisfies the
>     concerns
>      > of pro-life members
 of Congress, as well as women who are looking
>     at the
>      > biggest blow to women’s reproductive rights in 35 years with the
>     passage
>      > of this bill. Both programs are already covered under existing
>     law, the
>      > Hyde amendment.
>      > But perhaps most profoundly, the bill does not mandate that
>     people pay
>      > 8% of their annual income to private insurance companies or face a
>      > penalty of up to 2% — which the IRS would collect. As Marcy Wheeler
>      > noted in an important post entitled “Health Care on the Road to
>      > NeoFeudalism,” we stand on the precipice of doing something truly
> 
     > radical in our government, by demanding that Americans pay almost as
>      > much money to private insurance companies as they do in federal
>     taxes:
>      > When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the
>      > sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws
>      > will be.
>      > I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health
>     care. What
>      > I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to
>      > fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.
>      > We started down a dangerous road with Wall Street banks in the early
>      > 90s, allowing them to
 flood our political system with money and write
>      > our laws so that taxpayers would subsidize their profits, assume
>     their
>      > losses and remove themselves from the necessity of competition. By
>      > funneling so much money into the companies who created the very
>     problems
>      > we are now attempting to address, we further empower them to
>     hijack our
>      > legislative process and put more than just our health care system at
>      > risk. We risk our entire system of government.
>      > Congress may be too far down the road with this bill to change course
>      > and save themselves — and us. But before Democrats cast this
> 
    vote, which
>      > could endanger not only their Congressional majority but their
>     ability
>      > to “fix” things later on, they should consider the first rule of
>     patient
>      > safety: first, do no harm.
>      > Tags: Barack Obama <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/barack-obama/>,
>      > firedoglake <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/firedoglake/>, health
>      > care <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/health-care/>, Healthcare
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/healthcare/>, Healthcare Reform
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/healthcare-reform/>, jane hamsher
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/jane-hamsher/>, Nancy Pelosi
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/nancy-pelosi/>, public option
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/public-option/>, Single Payer
>      > Healthcare
>     <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/single-payer-healthcare/>,
>      > universal healthcare
>      > <http://www.healthcare-now.org/tag/universal-healthcare/>
>      >
>      >
>      > Comments
>      >
>      > *One Response to “Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill”*
>      >
>      > 1.
>      > Cathy Deppe says:
>      > March 23, 2010 at 9:56 am
>      >
>     <http://www.healthcare-now.org/fact-sheet-the-truth-about-the-health-care-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7558>
>      > I believe we on the left should also refuse this mandated
>      > insurance that just enrichs insurance company profits and
>      > ultimately insures, instead, the total corporate control of our
>      > government. We should say no to this – and no again, to paying for
>      > the wars our government has sold us. Our lives are in the balance,
>      > as Jackson Brown sang: “They sell us the president the same way,
>      > they sell us our clothes and our cars, they sell us everything
>      > from youth
 to religion, the same time they sell us our wars.” We
>      > must begin to refuse to pay for defective products, be they
>      > useless insurance plans or endless wars.
>      >
>      > 2.
>      >
>      > __._,_.___
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