[Peace-discuss] Guess the author (no googling)

[C. G. Estabrook]

And everyone knows what their parents meant when they said, "We'll see..."

In an acute passage in his new "Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years,"
Diarmaid MacCulloch discusses G. Gutierrez'"seminal book, 'A Theology of
Liberation'":

"It is notable that in Gutierrez's discussion of poverty, he did not look back,
as did some liberation theologians, to the history of Christian purposeful
poverty since the first monks and hermits of the Church, as an act of solidarity
with those who had not chosen to be poor.  Having surveyed the biblical
discussion of poverty, he simply declared material poverty as a 'subhuman
situation' and 'scandalous condition', and dismissed notions of spiritual
poverty as unhelpful diversions" (p. 976).

--CGE

On 5/8/10 6:10 AM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
> The principles of mathematics and physics hold true no matter what one
> claims their philosophic and ideologic adherence to be. "2 + 2 = 3 for small
> values of 2".
>
> "...on the principle of equality; in the present time your abundance for
> their lack, that their abundance may be for your lack, so that there should
> be equality. According as it is written, He who gathered much had no excess,
> and he who gathered little was nothing short." (2 Corinthians 8.14-15, the
> writer, Paul, quoting Exodus 16.18 )
>
> "...Fear came on every soul...all those who were of the faith kept together,
> and had all things in common; And exchanging their goods and property for
> money, they made division of it among them all, as they had need. And day by
> day, going in agreement together regularly to the Temple and, taking broken
> bread together in their houses, they took their food with joy and with true
> hearts, Giving praise to God, and having the approval of all the people; and
> every day the number of those who had salvation was increased by the Lord."
> (from Dr. Luke's account in Acts 2.42-47)
>
> Many of the Christians in the revival of the late 70's and early 80's loved
> to quote and talk about God's provision for their personal prosperity and
> often said "Jehovah-Jireh", "God will provide". While that is true, the
> concrete meaning of Jehovah-Jireh is "God will see."
>
> Hence the fear that God would see the attitude of their hearts, that they
> could trust and give and be concerned about not giving and be concerned
> about having a thankful and giving heart.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
>  To: "E.Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag> Cc: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
> "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guess the author (no googling)
>
>
>> And surely not to be recommended. But the remarkable unwillingness of
>> supporters of the administration even to hear the complaints of people like
>> Stack is the real problem. The willingness of the bien-pensant simply to
>> dismiss them is outrageous and even dangerous.
>>
>> Stack wrote, "The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to
>> each according to his need. / The capitalist creed: From each according to
>> his gullibility, to each according to his greed."
>>
>> We don't make progress toward the former by acquiescing in the latter.
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/10 10:01 PM, E.Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>> Bombs and flamboyant suicides like immolations and other violent acts are
>>> one way of getting a message out.
>>>
>>> They are very high cost and very high risk. There is no guarantee that
>>> the message will be heard correctly and there are usually no second
>>> chances.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu> Cc:
>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guess the author (no googling)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, Chomsky. And he's not saying that Joe Stack's response is anodyne
>>>> - specifically, it killed him and at least one other - but that it's
>>>> understandable. There are real issues there that can't be dismissed.
>>>>
>>>> "It is easy to ridicule how Joe Stack and others like him articulate
>>>> their concerns, but it’s far more appropriate to understand what lies
>>>> behind their perceptions and actions at a time when people with real
>>>> grievances are being mobilized in ways that pose no slight danger to
>>>> themselves and to others."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/7/10 7:24 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, saw this a couple of weeks ago. Chomsky, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Encouraging anti-tax sentiment has long been a staple of
>>>>>>> business propaganda."
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. As with Proposition 13 in CA, whose main beneficiaries were
>>>>> businesses, as their property taxes were cut even more than
>>>>> homeowners'.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is easy to ridicule how Joe Stack and others like him
>>>>>>> articulate their concerns, but it’s far more appropriate to
>>>>>>> understand what lies behind their perceptions and actions at a
>>>>>>> time when people with real grievances are being mobilized in
>>>>>>> ways that pose no slight danger to themselves and to others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that he's not saying that the Tea Party's current direction is
>>>>> harmless.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 04:32:31PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb. 18, Joe Stack, a 53-year-old computer engineer, crashed his
>>>>>> small plane into a building in Austin, Texas, hitting an IRS
>>>>>> office, committing suicide, killing one other person and injuring
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stack left an anti-government manifesto explaining his actions. The
>>>>>> story begins when he was a teenager living on a pittance in
>>>>>> Harrisburg, Pa., near the heart of what was once a great industrial
>>>>>> center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His neighbor, in her ’80s and surviving on cat food, was the
>>>>>> “widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked
>>>>>> all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with
>>>>>> promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of
>>>>>> service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward
>>>>>> to in his retirement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the
>>>>>> incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the
>>>>>> government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement.
>>>>>> All she had was Social Security to live on.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He could have added that the super-rich and their political allies
>>>>>>  continue to try to take away Social Security, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stack decided that he couldn’t trust big business and would strike
>>>>>> out on his own, only to discover that he also couldn’t trust a
>>>>>> government that cared nothing about people like him but only about
>>>>>> the rich and privileged; or a legal system in which “there are two
>>>>>>  `interpretations’ for every law, one for the very rich, and one
>>>>>> for the rest of us.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The government leaves us with “the joke we call the American
>>>>>> medical system, including the drug and insurance companies (that)
>>>>>> are murdering tens of thousands of people a year,” with care
>>>>>> rationed largely by wealth, not need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stack traces these ills to a social order in which “a handful of
>>>>>> thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities — and when
>>>>>> it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their
>>>>>> gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal
>>>>>> government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if
>>>>>> not hours.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stack’s manifesto ends with two evocative sentences: “The communist
>>>>>> creed: from each according to his ability, to each according to his
>>>>>> need. The capitalist creed: from each according to his gullibility,
>>>>>> to each according to his greed.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poignant studies of the U.S. rustbelt reveal comparable outrage
>>>>>> among individuals who have been cast aside as state-corporate
>>>>>> programs close plants and destroy families and communities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An acute sense of betrayal comes readily to people who believed
>>>>>> they had fulfilled their duty to society in a moral compact with
>>>>>> business and government, only to discover they had been only
>>>>>> instruments of profit and power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Striking similarities exist in China, the world’s second largest
>>>>>> economy, investigated by UCLA scholar Ching Kwan Lee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee has compared working-class outrage and desperation in the
>>>>>> discarded industrial sectors of the U.S. and in what she calls
>>>>>> China’s rustbelt — the state socialist industrial center in the
>>>>>> Northeast, now abandoned for state capitalist development of the
>>>>>> southeast sunbelt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In both regions Lee found massive labor protests, but different in
>>>>>>  character. In the rustbelt, workers express the same sense of
>>>>>> betrayal as their U.S. counterparts — in their case, the betrayal
>>>>>> of the Maoist principles of solidarity and dedication to
>>>>>> development of the society that they thought had been a moral
>>>>>> compact, only to discover that whatever it was, it is now bitter
>>>>>> fraud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Around the country, scores of millions of workers dropped from work
>>>>>> units “are plagued by a profound sense of insecurity,” arousing
>>>>>> “rage and desperation,” Lee writes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee’s work and studies of the U.S. rustbelt make clear that we
>>>>>> should not underestimate the depth of moral indignation that lies
>>>>>> behind the furious, often self-destructive bitterness about
>>>>>> government and business power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the U.S., the Tea Party movement — and even more so the broader
>>>>>>  circles it reaches — reflect the spirit of disenchantment. The Tea
>>>>>>  Party’s anti-tax extremism is not as immediately suicidal as Joe
>>>>>> Stack’s protest, but it is suicidal nonetheless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California today is a dramatic illustration. The world’s greatest
>>>>>> public system of higher education is being dismantled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he’ll have to eliminate state
>>>>>> health and welfare programs unless the federal government forks
>>>>>> over some $7 billion. Other governors are joining in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile a newly powerful states’ rights movement is demanding
>>>>>> that the federal government not intrude into our affairs — a nice
>>>>>> illustration of what Orwell called “doublethink”: the ability to
>>>>>> hold two contradictory ideas in mind while believing both of them,
>>>>>>  practically a motto for our times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California’s plight results in large part from anti-tax fanaticism.
>>>>>> It’s much the same elsewhere, even in affluent suburbs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Encouraging anti-tax sentiment has long been a staple of business
>>>>>> propaganda. People must be indoctrinated to hate and fear the
>>>>>> government, for good reasons: Of the existing power systems, the
>>>>>> government is the one that in principle, and sometimes in fact,
>>>>>> answers to the public and can constrain the depredations of private
>>>>>> power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, anti-government propaganda must be nuanced. Business of
>>>>>> course favors a powerful state that works for multinationals and
>>>>>> financial institutions — and even bails them out when they destroy
>>>>>> the economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in a brilliant exercise in doublethink, people are led to hate
>>>>>> and fear the deficit. That way, business’s cohorts in Washington
>>>>>> may agree to cut benefits and entitlements like Social Security
>>>>>> (but not bailouts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, people should not oppose what is largely
>>>>>> creating the deficit — the growing military budget and the
>>>>>> hopelessly inefficient privatized healthcare system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is easy to ridicule how Joe Stack and others like him articulate
>>>>>> their concerns, but it’s far more appropriate to understand what
>>>>>> lies behind their perceptions and actions at a time when people
>>>>>> with real grievances are being mobilized in ways that pose no
>>>>>> slight danger to themselves and to others.
>>>>>>

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