[Peace-discuss] Fw: [socialistdiscussion] Obama.

Mon Nov 1 09:03:42 CDT 2010

This is from a "centrist Democrat":

"What else might affect the economy? The answer is obvious, but its implications 
are frightening. War and peace influence the economy. 

Look back at FDR and the Great Depression. What finally resolved that economic 
crisis? World War II. 

Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in 
Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend 
much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help 
him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as 
tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve. 

I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get 
reelected. But the nation will rally around Obama because Iran is the greatest 
threat to the world in the young century. If he can confront this threat and 
contain Iran's nuclear ambitions, he will have made the world safer and may be 
regarded as one of the most successful presidents in history. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102907404.html

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From: E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
To: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>; Peace-discuss List 
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Sun, October 31, 2010 9:13:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: [socialistdiscussion] Obama.

Any one who voted for some yellow canine instead fo John Sidney McCain III in 
2008 can hardly be blamed for making a bad choice in that pretentious political 
exercise.  But those who actually bought into the Obama lie rapidly became 
afflicted with "buyer's remorse", except for the some of our hardshell Dem 
friends who remain hopelessly helplessly enthralled by the Great Deceiver.

Democracy in the US is mostly a cruel sham, an outrageously pitiful substitute 
for the real thing.

It's not surprising at all.  Americans are cowardly bullies.  They are Impotent 
and Pussies (as Max Keiser has noted).   Americans are Sissies, Wimps and 
Stoopits (as John Strausbaugh has noted).  Americans are grossly and 
deliberately misinformed and manipulated and they are by and large too damn lazy 
and for the most part simply too fucking stupid to notice or even much care. A 
real revolution is simply out of vogue and the arrogant pretentious media who 
are the running dogs of the political class are determined to ceaselessly 
point out to Americans how crass revolutionaries are, so as to keep the hoi 
polloi firmly under the yoke of bondage to the political class.  The political 
class wants Obedient Workers not an Educated Populace (as Carlin noted).  The 
political class wants good "Africans" (as Ambrose Bierce noted).

The Tea Party was originally a libertarian movement at its inception about 3 
years ago, but as it gathered steam and "members" it has became more and more 
diverse to the point that many of its original founders who are of an 
anarcholibertarian bent are quite unhappy with how its going.  It is a great 
oversimplification to brand the Tea Party as "Glenn Beckers" or as "Palinites" 
or even as "Ron Paulers" although there are elements of all three within 
the TeaParty movement.    The unifying theme of the Tea Party is that they are 
people who believe that they are getting a raw deal from their government, and 
the Political Class.  

Of course the cultural immune system of the Political Class perceives the 
TeaPartyMovement as an invader and seeks to inactivate this threat by Opsonizing 
it with labels like Rightist, Racist, Religious Right, Gun-Toting Rednecks, 
etc.   Indeed some of those labels are true (as Epimenides noted, and Paul 
affirmed).

In my opinion any action by Americans against the political class that doesnt 
involve grassroots uprising, rioting, fires, and bloodshed, or the civilized 
equivalent thereof is doomed for ignominious failure.  I don't generally put 
much stock by the civilized equivalents, but Americans fear their government and 
they believe that they could not survive without feeding their addiction to the 
vile green pap that oozes from the government's feces encrusted teats.  A 
vertically directed revolution within the existing system seems to be much 
easier to get support for in the absence of sub-total collapse.

Does the Tea Party represent anything of substance?  They represent anger 
against the system that threw them overboard.  The Tea Party is an Uprising 
against the Political Class, however misguided, ideologically diffuse, and 
fundamentally flawed and hypocritical they may be.

 A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of Likely U.S. 
Voters say if they had the option next week, they would vote to get rid of the 
entire Congress and start all over again. Only 20% would opt to keep the entire 
Congress instead. Fifteen percent (15%) aren’t sure. 

> 
>Of course, the Political Class strongly disagrees.  While 84% of Mainstream 
>voters would opt to get rid of the entire Congress, 64% of the Political Class 
>would vote instead to keep them all.
>>Not surprisingly, 82% of Republicans and 78% of unaffiliateds say dump them all. 
>>Despite their party’s control of both the House and Senate, Democratic voters 
>>are fairly evenly divided: 44% say it’s better to keep the entire Congress, but 
>>38% would prefer to give all the national legislators the heave-ho.
>>Thirty-eight percent (38%) of all voters have a favorable opinion of the 
>>Democratic Party after its two years of controlling both the White House and 
>>Congress. But 53% view the Democrats unfavorably.  As for the party out of power 
>>but knocking on the door, just 29% view Republicans favorably, while 54% hold an 
>>unfavorable opinion of them.
>>Only 61% of Republicans offer a favorable opinion of the GOP, a figure perhaps 
>>reflective of the fact that most Republican voters believe their party leaders 
>>are out of touch with the base. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Democrats have a 
>>favorable opinion of their party.
>>Among all voters, just three percent (3%) have a favorable opinion of both 
>>parties, while 18% view both unfavorably. Seventy-nine percent (79%) offer mixed 
>>reviews. 
>>
>>The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 60% of Likely 
>>Voters have an unfavorable impression of Pelosi, including 52% who hold a Very 
>>Unfavorable opinion of her.  That’s her highest Very Unfavorable 
>>
>> rating since regular tracking began in early February 2009.  Only 33% share a 
>>favorable impression of the California Democrat, including 16% who view her Very 
>>Favorably.  
>>
>>Fifty-four percent (54%) view Reid unfavorably, including 41% with a Very 
>>Unfavorable opinion, also the highest finding since February of last year. 
>>Twenty-nine percent (29%) hold a favorable view of Reid. That includes just 
>>seven percent (7%) with a Very Favorable regard for him...
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: David Johnson 
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>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:35 AM
>Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fw: [socialistdiscussion] Obama.
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>Would someone on the list like to provide an answer to this person in the U.K. 
?
> 
>David J.
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: pearcefulham at aol.com 
>To: socialistdiscussion at yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:33 PM
>Subject: [socialistdiscussion] Obama.
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>  
>I e mailed this list a year or so ago asking why Obama and the 
>Democrats were allowing the Tea Party crowd to determine the political 
>agenda. I was told by some Amereicans on the list that the Tea Party 
>did not represent anything of substance, the argument being that they 
>were only really on the fringe of politics. I could not understand then 
>and I still do not understand why Obama cannot appeal to his 
>constituency. It has taken Jon Stewart and others in a satirical way to 
>appeal to the youth, etc, the Obama crowd appear like rabbits caught in 
>a car headlight. Whilst we all know that the Obama administration will 
>not break from capitalism, it still mystfies why they are sleep walking 
>into a politrical disater next week. The Glen Beck crowd will become 
>emboldened by their up coming victory and grow in confidence. Obama for 
>all his intellect does not appear to understand the basic law of 
>politics, look after your base, only in the last week or so has he 
>started to appeal to his base, too late, goodnight.
>
>Terry 
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