[Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie

Tue Nov 9 11:01:28 CST 2010

Herzl didn't like European Jews. He wanted them to learn to behave more like 
gentiles. But to do this he thought they needed their own country. Israel proves 
him right, while America proves him wrong.

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From: Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Cc: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com; Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 10:53:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie

I'm not sure what to make of a fin de siecle cross between Freud and Hertzl, but 
Qumsiyeh posted an reference to an  intriguing video about the antisemitism of 
Hertzl (a self-hating Jew?).  

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072#docid=902406897
2366598651 

What do you make of that?

--mkb

On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:36 AM, David Green wrote:

No, Michael has retired and moved to Chicago. The currently vapid status seekers 
are Matti Bunzl and Bruce Rosenstock--the latter does a good job of affecting a 
kind of Viennese fin de siecle appearance, perhaps a cross between Freud and 
Herzl. It was actually more honest and refreshing (and more straightforwardly 
outrageous) when PJCS was being administered by someone who was honestly 
vile about his Zionism and his contempt for the Palestinians (and the truth). I 
think that this pair are smart enough to know that the jig is up, and are 
positioning themselves to survive intact. The fence that they are building in 
order to sit on is quite impressive.
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From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
>To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 10:07:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
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>Excellent. Who should I contact? Is it still Michael Shapiro?
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>On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:05 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Of course the JCS program will sponsor it. It doesn't actually require them to 
>do anything to help the Palestinians, but they can pretend that they are on 
>their side, hopefully without provoking an unpleasant response from the Jewish 
>Community Relations Council.
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>>From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
>>To: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>; Peace Discuss 
>><peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:55:26 AM 
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>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
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>>
>>Another approach would be to try to rent the Art for a single showing of Budrus. 
>>
>>
>>
>>Would anyone be interested in pursuing this? Perhaps we can get the Committee on 
>>Jewish Culture and Society to co-sponsor. It is, after all, an Israeli film. :)
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jenifer 
Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Doubtful that The Art will show this, tho' AWARE Films might take it on (after 
>>we show STANDING ARMY, if ever). I might be up for Bob's suggestion if carpools 
>>form: 
>>
>>>"How about a Budrus road trip to Chicago? We could look for a showing on 
>>>Saturday  afternoon the 20th, take a carload or two, go up and come back on the 
>>>same day."
>>> --Jenifer
>>>
>>>--- On Tue, 11/9/10, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>To me, the key phrase here is this:
>>>>
>>>>"Calling for non-violence when one is not standing by the non-violent"
>>>>
>>>>Because precisely what I am calling for is "standing by the
>>>>non-violent." That is why I am trying to get as many Americans as
>>>>possible to see the movie "Budrus" - a small but feasible and
>>>>important way of "standing by the non-violent" is to learn their
>>>>stories, and someone has gone to the trouble of packaging a bunch of
>>>>those stories in a particularly accessible form - a form that a
>>>>Washington Post reporter called "riveting" and "a sure-fire
>>>>crowd-pleaser," and former AIPAC staffer M.J. Rosenberg called a
>>>>"totally engaging" story of "regular people" who "take their fate into
>>>>their own hands." It seems to me that trying to take advantage of such
>>>>an opportunity is a minimum thing that one can do.
>>>>
>>>>I had an exchange with the Art Theater guy. He is fairly skeptical but
>>>>promised he would consider it, probably not in the near term.
>>>>
>>>>Meanwhile, the film is showing at Facets Multimedia in Chicago from
>>>>Nov 19 - Nov 27.
>>>>
>>>>How about a Budrus road trip to Chicago? We could look for a showing
>>>>on Saturday  afternoon the 20th, take a carload or two, go up and come
>>>>back on the same day.
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David Green <MailScanner has detected a possible 
>>>>fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Max Ajl, at the Jewbonics website, has written quite a bit about the 
>"double
>>>>> standard" regarding tactics, including recently:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Since “targeted” murders are illegal, one would expect outcry. One would
>>>>> expect it, but it never comes. Again, compare “targeted assas si na tions”
>>>>> of the resis tance when they are simply going about their business in 
their
>>>>> own land versus “targeted assas si na tions” of illegal settlers in the 
>West
>>>>> Bank undoubt edly carrying out war crimes. Or, actually compare the
>>>>> response, espe cially on the liberal left: hand-wringing about the 
>barbarity
>>>>> of one set of killings, quietude about another."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.maxajl.com/?p=4400
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, http://www.maxajl.com/?p=3574
>>>>>
>>>>> "Calling for non-violence when one is not standing by the non-violent is 
an
>>>>> attempted affirmation of purity, nothing more. Gandhi and King stood on 
the
>>>>> front lines of their efforts, whether or not they were correct (Michael
>>>>> Neumann has shown fairly persuasively that as practical matters both King
>>>>> and Gandhi’s efforts were failures). They were embedded organically in the
>>>>> social movements they sought to influence."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: E.Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>>>>> To: MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to 
>>>>>be naiman.uiuc at gmail.com; Peace-discuss List
>>>>> <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to 
>>>>>be peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:14:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, Bob, I am quite interested in non-violent action and positively
>>>>> detest violent action.
>>>>> I am repulsed by the notion of violence almost as much as I am by the 
>threat
>>>>> thereof.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I perceive that the concept of any captive people being freed from an
>>>>> occupation by nonviolent
>>>>> action is ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey!  Mister Shark!  I'm being nice and non-violent.  Would you like to 
>spit
>>>>> my leg out now?  I'm going to be late for Oprah if you don't let me go 
real
>>>>> soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only problem with your suggestion (as I see it), Bob, is that it fails
>>>>> to take into
>>>>> account the characteristics of sharks, the theoretical fundamentals of
>>>>> communication with sharks, and the characteristics of ostensibly bitable
>>>>> appendages, among other things, perhaps...
>>>>>
>>>>> However, other than that, I am sure that Palestine can be freed quickly 
and
>>>>> the whole world can participate in a historic rewrite of the future - at
>>>>> home, on the couch, in front of their TV sets, when this movie comes out 
on
>>>>> DeeVeeDee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Naiman" <MailScanner has detected a 
>>>>>possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Peace-discuss List" <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt 
>>>>>from "mc" claiming to be peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If many Americans see the movie Budrus, about the successful
>>>>>> nonviolent resistance of Palestinians and Israelis against the route
>>>>>> of the Israeli "separation barrier" and its confiscation of
>>>>>> Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Budrus, it could lead to
>>>>>> concrete changes in U.S. policy that would lead to real improvement in
>>>>>> the ability of Palestinians in the West Bank to free themselves from
>>>>>> the occupation by nonviolent action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>>> Policy Director
>>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
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>>>>>>be naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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>>>>Robert Naiman
>>>>Policy Director
>>>>Just Foreign Policy
>>>>www.justforeignpolicy.org
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>>Robert Naiman
>>Policy Director
>>Just Foreign Policy
>>www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>
>>Urge Congress to Support a Timetable for Military Withdrawal from Afghanistan
>>http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/feingold-mcgovern
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>Just Foreign Policy
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>naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
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