[Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
Robert Naiman
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Tue Nov 9 12:37:59 CST 2010
Great idea. Who is the contact? I wrote to the PJCS folks, no response yet.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Another idea for a venue would be Hillel, yes, seriously. I saw THE LEMON
> TREE, a very pro-Palestinian film, at Hillel a couple of weeks ago.
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Tue, 11/9/10, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>* wrote:
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> From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
> To: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
>
> Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 11:01 AM
>
> Herzl didn't like European Jews. He wanted them to learn to behave more
> like gentiles. But to do this he thought they needed their own country.
> Israel proves him right, while America proves him wrong.
>
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> *From:* Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
> *To:* David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* naiman.uiuc at gmail.com; Peace Discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Tue, November 9, 2010 10:53:29 AM
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>
> [Whole buncha trash emails etc deleted by me, Jenifer]
>
> I'm not sure what to make of a fin de siecle cross between Freud and
> Hertzl, but Qumsiyeh posted an reference to an intriguing video about the
> antisemitism of Hertzl (a self-hating Jew?).
>
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4452153918748081072#docid=902406897
> 2366598651
>
> What do you make of that?
>
> --mkb
>
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:36 AM, David Green wrote:
>
> No, Michael has retired and moved to Chicago. The currently vapid status
> seekers are Matti Bunzl and Bruce Rosenstock--the latter does a good job of
> affecting a kind of Viennese fin de siecle appearance, perhaps a cross
> between Freud and Herzl. It was actually more honest and refreshing (and
> more straightforwardly outrageous) when PJCS was being administered by
> someone who was honestly vile about his Zionism and his contempt for the
> Palestinians (and the truth). I think that this pair are smart enough to
> know that the jig is up, and are positioning themselves to survive intact.
> The fence that they are building in order to sit on is quite impressive.
>
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> *Sent:* Tue, November 9, 2010 10:07:16 AM
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> Excellent. Who should I contact? Is it still Michael Shapiro?
>
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> > wrote:
>
> Of course the JCS program will sponsor it. It doesn't actually require
> them to do anything to help the Palestinians, but they can pretend that they
> are on their side, hopefully without provoking an unpleasant response from
> the Jewish Community Relations Council.
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> *Sent:* Tue, November 9, 2010 9:55:26 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
>
> Another approach would be to try to rent the Art for a single showing of
> Budrus.
>
> Would anyone be interested in pursuing this? Perhaps we can get the
> Committee on Jewish Culture and Society to co-sponsor. It is, after all, an
> Israeli film. :)
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <*MailScanner has
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> > wrote:
>
> Doubtful that The Art will show this, tho' AWARE Films might take it on
> (after we show STANDING ARMY, if ever). I might be up for Bob's suggestion
> if carpools form:
> "How about a Budrus road trip to Chicago? We could look for a showing on
> Saturday afternoon the 20th, take a carload or two, go up and come back
> on the same day."
> --Jenifer
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>
> To me, the key phrase here is this:
>
> "Calling for non-violence when one is not standing by the non-violent"
>
> Because precisely what I am calling for is "standing by the
> non-violent." That is why I am trying to get as many Americans as
> possible to see the movie "Budrus" - a small but feasible and
> important way of "standing by the non-violent" is to learn their
> stories, and someone has gone to the trouble of packaging a bunch of
> those stories in a particularly accessible form - a form that a
> Washington Post reporter called "riveting" and "a sure-fire
> crowd-pleaser," and former AIPAC staffer M.J. Rosenberg called a
> "totally engaging" story of "regular people" who "take their fate into
> their own hands." It seems to me that trying to take advantage of such
> an opportunity is a minimum thing that one can do.
>
> I had an exchange with the Art Theater guy. He is fairly skeptical but
> promised he would consider it, probably not in the near term.
>
> Meanwhile, the film is showing at Facets Multimedia in Chicago from
> Nov 19 - Nov 27.
>
> How about a Budrus road trip to Chicago? We could look for a showing
> on Saturday afternoon the 20th, take a carload or two, go up and come
> back on the same day.
>
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:04 AM, David Green <*MailScanner has detected a
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> davegreen84 at yahoo.com <http://mc/compose?to=davegreen84@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Max Ajl, at the Jewbonics website, has written quite a bit about the
> "double
> > standard" regarding tactics, including recently:
> >
> > "Since “targeted” murders are illegal, one would expect outcry. One would
> > expect it, but it never comes. Again, compare “targeted assas si na
> tions”
> > of the resis tance when they are simply going about their business in
> their
> > own land versus “targeted assas si na tions” of illegal settlers in the
> West
> > Bank undoubt edly carrying out war crimes. Or, actually compare the
> > response, espe cially on the liberal left: hand-wringing about the
> barbarity
> > of one set of killings, quietude about another."
> >
> > http://www.maxajl.com/?p=4400
> >
> > Also, http://www.maxajl.com/?p=3574
> >
> > "Calling for non-violence when one is not standing by the non-violent is
> an
> > attempted affirmation of purity, nothing more. Gandhi and King stood on
> the
> > front lines of their efforts, whether or not they were correct (Michael
> > Neumann has shown fairly persuasively that as practical matters both King
> > and Gandhi’s efforts were failures). They were embedded organically in
> the
> > social movements they sought to influence."
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 11:14:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
> >
> > Seriously, Bob, I am quite interested in non-violent action and
> positively
> > detest violent action.
> > I am repulsed by the notion of violence almost as much as I am by the
> threat
> > thereof.
> >
> > But, I perceive that the concept of any captive people being freed from
> an
> > occupation by nonviolent
> > action is ridiculous.
> >
> > Hey! Mister Shark! I'm being nice and non-violent. Would you like to
> spit
> > my leg out now? I'm going to be late for Oprah if you don't let me go
> real
> > soon.
> >
> > The only problem with your suggestion (as I see it), Bob, is that it
> fails
> > to take into
> > account the characteristics of sharks, the theoretical fundamentals of
> > communication with sharks, and the characteristics of ostensibly bitable
> > appendages, among other things, perhaps...
> >
> > However, other than that, I am sure that Palestine can be freed quickly
> and
> > the whole world can participate in a historic rewrite of the future - at
> > home, on the couch, in front of their TV sets, when this movie comes out
> on
> > DeeVeeDee.
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:17 AM
> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Help the Palestinians. Go See This Movie
> >
> >
> >> If many Americans see the movie Budrus, about the successful
> >> nonviolent resistance of Palestinians and Israelis against the route
> >> of the Israeli "separation barrier" and its confiscation of
> >> Palestinian land in the West Bank village of Budrus, it could lead to
> >> concrete changes in U.S. policy that would lead to real improvement in
> >> the ability of Palestinians in the West Bank to free themselves from
> >> the occupation by nonviolent action.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/help-the-palestinians-go_b_780609.html
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