[Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, NO!
Jenifer Cartwright
jencart13 at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 19 11:28:12 CDT 2010
Sorry, folks. That last line re how hard it is to make small positive changes and how easy it is to make huge negative ones should have read:
Supreme court ---> Bush ---> Supreme Court ---> Citizens' United --Jenifer
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>, "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:26 AM
Adding to Bob's post:I've read several New Yorker articles about the senate and what it actually takes to bring bills to a vote... and I've started reading OBAMA'S WAR and it's all eye-opening and very tuff going... because there's a whole enormous, entrenched power structure running things when it comes to how the gov't actually runs, both domestically -- by those who've been elected -- and wrt foreign affairs (i e the war machine and the mindset that keeps it going) -- these are the people who haven't been elected, whose names we mostly don't know and never will... the CIA, the Pentagon. Hate it as we do, it's what we're up against, there are no simple answers, and the reality of this will scare the shit out of you.
The Qs are: what's to be done about all this?? And would you rather take yr chances w/ Obama and the
Dems or with the Repubs, incldg the Right wing nut jobs funded by the corporations... because those are yr real choices... And if you don't know that yet, you never will unless and until you educate yrselves about how things really are, and how much it will take to make even small positive changes... while it's taken so little to make huge negative ones (Supreme Court; Citizens United). --Jenifer
--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>, "Morton K. Brussel" <brussel at illinois.edu>, "Peace-discuss"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 8:33 AM
Perhaps it is that simple for someone who is as much of a dogma-head moron as Chris Floyd obviously is. For some people it is simple that "abortion is murder." This assertion merits as much claim on our attention as Chris Floyd's.
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
"Friends, it's very simple: if you support Barack Obama and the
Democrats -- even if reluctantly, even if you're just being all
sophisticatedly super-savvy and blogospherically strategic about
it... -- you are supporting the outright murder of innocent people
who have never done anything against you or yours. You have walked
into a house, battered down the bedroom door, put the barrel of a
gun against the temple of a sleeping child, and pulled the trigger.
That is what you are supporting, that is what you are complicit in,
that is what you yourself are doing."
Full article at
<http://chris-floyd.com/articles/1-latest-news/2035-obamas-finest-hour-killing-innocent-people-for-qmade-up-crapq.html>.
On 10/18/10 10:32 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
Tim Johnson is one
of those who believes Life starts at conception and ends
at birth.
--Jenifer
--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
wrote:
From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Punish the Democrats, yes
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>,
"Peace-discuss"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 7:00 PM
The outrage of Estabrook seems
reserved for Democrats, without regarding the very
probable (consider what they're saying) consequences
of having Tea-Party types and/or Republicans
controling government. None of the execrable
policies of the G.W. Bush or Obama administrations
are likely to be revised or retracted. He has
forgotten about the Bush administration?
The mania of the current campaign aimed
at David Gill, characterized as a stand-in for
Obama, is perverse and contary to what has come
from statements and presentations of Gill. It's
remarkable how much faith Carl has in Tim
Johnson.
--mkb
On Oct 18, 2010, at 5:29 PM, C. G.
Estabrook wrote:
This is outrageous special pleading.
It says to return the Democrats to office,
even though they're the ones responsible
for "unnecessary deaths of people in wars
from [Palestine to Pakistan and from
Central Asia to the Horn of Africa]."
Of course the Democrats are also
responsible for not extending Medicare to
all, not taking over the too-big-to-fail
banks and companies and running them for
the public good, not stopping
foreclosures, not establishing an
effective jobs program, etc., etc. - and
not by accident, but because they're
working for the banks, the insurance
companies, the oil companies, the
construction companies, et al.
The Democrat’s allegedly reformist agenda
masks programs to ensure that no major
stakeholder in his coalition of corporate
backers will suffer significant losses,
and will even enjoy spectacular gains —
the perfection of the long right turn of
the Democratic Party since the 1970s, as
financialization of the economy led to
shedding New Deal commitments so as to
compete with the Republicans for corporate
patronage.
Reject the policies by not voting for
them. Vote Green or for individual
legislators who e.g. vote against the war,
like Kucinich, Paul, or Johnson (IL).
We'll still have to settle accounts with
the new Congress on war and social
legislation, whoever is elected.
Say to the Democrats what Cromwell said to
the Rump parliament: "Depart, I say; and
let us have done with you. In the name of
God, go!"
On 10/18/10 4:50 PM, Ron Szoke wrote:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101510.html
The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
October 15, 2010
If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan
to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a
lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if
this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities
will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises
on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war.
The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then
shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy
never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives
abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 –
not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the
surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or
no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives,
emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever
more audacious style.
Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary
deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America
to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global
warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea
Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a
livable planet.
In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only
doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
. . .
<much more>
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