[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fw: Money Can't Vote
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Wed Oct 20 23:09:24 CDT 2010
First, Iraq and Afghanistan are both part of what the Pentagon calls "The Long
War" (for oil) in the Mideast. So far, the US has killed a million people in
Iraq under Clinton (whose Secretary of State said that the tens of thousands of
dead children were "worth it"); a million under Bush; and apparently hundreds of
thousands in AfPak under Bush and his third (Obama) term.
That falls short of the perhaps 4 million we killed in SE Asia, but of course
Obama's escalated murders in SW Asia are in no way justified by being fewer in
number than Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon's in Vietnam.
It's difficult to determine when the Long War begins, but it takes a tick up in
the Carter administration when Carter (and Obama's) adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski
sends Osama bin Laden and friends into Afghanistan (before the Russian invasion)
"to give the Russians a Vietnam of their own," as he said at the time, in the
most expensive CIA operation to date.
If a Republican administration after 2012 brings Obama's AfPak war to an end,
then we'll have a third example of a Democratic war concluded by Republicans in
as many generations. But that may not be likely. The news suggests that the
Obama administration is looking to expand the war with an attack on Pakistan
and/or Iran. It certainly isn't looking to abandon the world's greatest
energy-producing region.
Control of Mideast energy resources has been a cornerstone of US foreign policy
since 1945. Obama is simply lying when he says the war is to "stop terrorism" -
it obviously increases terrorism - but he has to lie, because the only
Constitutional authority he has to wage war in the Mideast is Congress'
"Authorization for the Use of Military Force" of September 2001 - which is
directed against terrorism.
Something positive to do: years ago, there was a great debate in America, "How
do we get out of Vietnam?" The best answer was given by Herb Caen: "Ships and
planes." Load up the troops and bring them home. The Russians did - and
survived and prospered from the end of their war.
Eventually we did, but it took two presidents' being driven from office and
(even more important) a revolt of the American conscript army to do it.
Regards, CGE
On 10/20/10 7:15 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
> So I conclude from your statement that you don't consider either Iraq or
> Afghanistan to be "major" wars. So why are you so worked up about them? I
> think you're just still mad at Lyndon Johnson.
> And please, don't accuse me of being some kind of racist who doesn't mind us
> murdering brown people. That is /so/ lame. It's just that not all of us see
> the world in as simple terms as you seem to. Simple solutions are nice, but
> they're mainly for the simple-minded.
> All I'm saying is if you're so gung-ho on stopping the war, why don't you come
> up with something positive to do (as opposed to sniping from the sidelines)
> that might help get us closer to that goal? We'll all get behind you.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> *To:* Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>; Peace List
> <peace at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> *Sent:* Wed, October 20, 2010 5:10:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fw: Money Can't Vote
>
> You are aware, are you not, that America's major wars since WWII - called by
> synecdoche "Korea" and "Vietnam" - were started by Democratic administrations
> and ended by Republican administrations. Since the current Democratic
> administration has greatly expanded the killing in AfPak, it's hard to argue
> that they're going to reverse their policies. Voting for them is an
> acquiescence to those policies.
>
> To say of Obama and the Democrats, "Let them kill some Asians, because they
> might do some good someplace else," is at best a counsel of despair, if not an
> outright criminal attitude. Particularly when it seems that they're doing
> precisely the wrong things elsewhere, too - not surprisingly, because they're
> working for the owners of the banks, the insurance companies, the oil and
> construction companies, etc. --CGE
>
>
> On 10/20/10 4:48 PM, Gregg Gordon wrote:
>> Maybe because there are other important issues that she /does/ agree with him
>> on. The only way you're going to find a candidate you're in 100% agreement
>> with is to run for office. If support for the war is an absolute deal
>> breaker for you, fine. Not everybody sees it that way. But if you think the
>> war will end sooner if more Republicans get elected, I think you're out of
>> your mind.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>> *To:* Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
>> *Cc:* Peace List <peace at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> *Sent:* Wed, October 20, 2010 4:33:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fw: Money Can't Vote
>>
>> This guy supports the war. I can't see why anyone on an anti-war list would
>> contribute to him.
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/10 4:28 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
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