[Peace-discuss] Fwd: [Peace] Veterans to stage protest at Tim Johnson's office this Thursday on the Eve of Veterans' Day

[Carl G. Estabrook]

> No, that's not true, Jenifer.
>
> The most important thing the federal government does is kill people.  
> AWARE was formed after 9/11 to oppose that.
>
> If David Gill were to say that he would vote against any money for  
> the US war in the Mideast and Tim Johnson supported the president's  
> war policy,  I would vote for Gill.
>
> It's true that I don't think that killing children is a good idea,  
> but Obama and his Congressional supporters do it directly, with  
> drone attacks. Laws that encourage abortion simply permit it.
>
> --CGE
>

> On Nov 8, 2011, at 1:24 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
>> Didn't we decide that it's b/c 1) Gill is pro-choice and Johnson is  
>> pro-life and 2) Gill is a lots stronger opponent than [unnamed]  
>> others who ran against Johnson in the past? The real mystery is why  
>> Bob N voted for Johnson. Anyone??
>>

>> --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Veterans to stage protest at  
>> Tim Johnson's office this Thursday on the Eve of Veterans' Day
>> To: "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "C. G.  
>> ESTABROOK" <cge at shout.net>, "Sarah Lazare"  
>> <sarah.lazare at gmail.com>, "David Amerson" <d.m.amerson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, November 7, 2011, 5:12 PM
>>
>> Good remarks Karen.
>>
>> Carl has been pursuing a vendetta against David Gill while enamored  
>> with Tim Johnson for years, now, it seems, and for reasons not  
>> always transparent. It seems that Carl interprets Gill's beliefs/ 
>> positions in biased ways. For example, I've heard Gill  in person  
>> declare that he was against our wars and foreign policies,  
>> including Israel-Palestine,  and also against bloated military  
>> budgets. And, of course, he has advocated a single payer health  
>> insurance system, which Johnson opposes. Gill has attempted to  
>> answer Carl's attacks upon him, but his answers have never been  
>> accepted as forthright enough for Carl.
>>
>> Yes, Gill will be sorely tested if elected. Congress seems to  
>> corrupt those who enter its precincts: Politicians like to retain  
>> power and this too often compromises the common welfare. Would Gill  
>> have the fortitude to stand against the Democratic leadership? We  
>> won't know until he's there, but he's seemed to me a progressive  
>> candidate.
>>
>> We have much more data on Tim Johnson, and as Carl says, it is not  
>> all bad.
>>
>> My 2¢.  --mkb
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Karen Medina wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to all for making this a public discussion.
>>>
>>> The IVAW announcement was clear on the reasons for protesting Tim
>>> Johnson's legislative actions with regards to veterans benefits.  
>>> As an
>>> AWARE member, I fully support your stance on veterans benefits, your
>>> criticism of Tim Johnson, and your strong commitment to your other  
>>> two
>>> goals. I plan to be at Johnson's office with you.
>>>
>>> Also as an anti-war activist, I do not trust, promote, or support  
>>> any
>>> politician. Not one has ever been all that I would want him/her to  
>>> be,
>>> though one or two has come close.
>>>
>>> I am critical of all political candidates and I do vote, so this
>>> discussion is of vital importance.
>>>
>>> Thanks Carl for helping make clear we know which aspects of Tim
>>> Johnson to support and which ones we are there to criticize.
>>>
>>> -karen medina