[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Assange article critical of the psuedo Left who favor extradition
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigsqq.org
Tue Aug 28 00:55:04 UTC 2012
The F word here seems to be Fatuous.
The rape charge is bogus. Apparently each of the "ladies" involved
were "raped" multiple times. It says something that this whole matter
is not going down in derision, but indeed radical feminism seems to
found something to spin on.
I hadn't really considered anti-Castro feminists, and had no
idea that they were organized. Seems more like Castrating Feminists to
me, but
really I am no expert on the subject.
Are anti-Castro feminists opposed to emasculation? or this just
a matter of methodologic sectarianism among the Sisterhood similar
to the amount of water to be used by good Baptists vs. those others?
I could imagine "lets see 2 on the ground" castrating feminists vs those
favouring
immunologic approaches v. a more theoretical symbolic approach...
assertion of
power is ok... see that no one gets hurt.
About this time a feebly aware Gilda Radner character says -- "Oh...
that's different".
On 8/28/2012 7:10 AM, Alex Cline wrote:
> probably should have put a tw on all this...
>
> If we’re talking about what’s probable, let’s apply a little Occam’s
> razor. Two women have come forward to report that Assange
> raped/assaulted them, and a bunch of statements from himself and his
> lawyers make it clear to anybody who was listening that he doesn’t
> have a very clear idea – legally or morally – of the definitions of
> “rape” or “consent”. Either those women came forward because he did
> what they say he did, or because he’s the victim of an international
> conspiracy between the CIA and anti-Castro feminists to get him
> extradited to America via Sweden in a ridiculously convoluted and
> unreliable way that doesn’t actually have any basis in International
> or Swedish law. Which do *you* think is more probable?
>
> None of this is to say that the project he was instrumental in is not
> of great importance; however, it is important to be able to view these
> issues seperately
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Alex Cline <rev.a.r.cline at gmail.com
> <mailto:rev.a.r.cline at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2012/08/we_are_not_julian
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net
> <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>> wrote:
>
> *Good article critical of two of the so called *
> *" Socialist " parties in Britian, who are in fact *
> *" Neo-Liberal ", from a REAL Socialist list-serve in Britian.*
> **
> *Britain’s Socialist Workers Party and Socialist Party back
> extradition of Assange*
>
>
> By Chris Marsden
> 27 August 2012
>
> *Britain’s largest pseudo-left groups have lined up behind the
> demand that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange be extradited to
> Sweden.*
>
> *Both the Socialist Workers Party and the Socialist Party echo
> the propaganda of the liberal media that Assange must face
> rape charges and that the allegations of sexual assault have
> nothing to do with the efforts of the United States, Britain,
> Sweden and other governments to silence him and destroy
> WikiLeaks.*
>
> *The SWP’s Tom Walker writes, “Julian Assange must face rape
> charges, not US revenge.” He notes the fate of Bradley
> Manning, “the US soldier accused of leaking state secrets who
> has so far spent more than 800 days behind bars without trial
> in military prison.” He points out that Manning has been
> chained hand and foot and mostly held “in solitary confinement
> for 23 to 24 hours a day and denied clothes and blankets at
> night.”*
>
> *But he does so only to then claim that the “case of
> Assange…is far more problematic” because his extradition to
> Sweden, thwarted by his being granted asylum by Ecuador, is
> “for arrest and questioning over accusations by two women of
> rape and sexual assault.”*
>
> *“Assange and some of his supporters have refused to take the
> rape allegations seriously,” he complains, before admitting,
> “We know that Assange faces a secret ‘sealed indictment’ in
> the US, and a grand jury has been convened against Wikileaks.”*
>
> *To square the circle, he urges the Swedish authorities to
> guarantee that Assange will not be extradited to the US, which
> would “clear the way for him to face his accusers.”*
>
> *Walker is, of course, well aware that Sweden has refused to
> give such an undertaking and that it would be meaningless even
> if it did so.*
>
> *The Socialist Party reproduces an edited article by one of
> its Australian co-thinkers bearing the telling headline, “No
> Extradition to the USA.” The article tacitly supports
> Assange’s extradition to Sweden, arguing that “in a society
> where crimes against women are often ignored and trivialised,
> such allegations cannot be dismissed and should be properly
> investigated...”*
>
> *“It is important for socialists to reject any idea that some
> rape does not need to be taken seriously,” the SP insists,
> going so far as to compare Assange’s supporters with the US
> Republican senatorial candidate Todd Akin, who created a stir
> last week with his reactionary and ignorant remark about
> “legitimate rape.”*
>
> *The SWP and SP had maintained a deafening silence on the
> attempt to railroad Assange. The SWP last published a
> five-sentence item on Assange on March 5, 2011, and the SP
> last wrote on the issue on December 15, 2010!*
>
> *The reason for their reticence is now clear. Both have long
> been in agreement with the extraordinary campaign by the
> right-wing as well as the nominally liberal press to tar
> Assange as a sexual criminal, but were reluctant to say so
> publicly. Now the time to procrastinate is over. To do so
> would risk alienating the upper layers of the
> petty-bourgeoisie to which they are oriented—those who have
> long promoted the politics of gender and race in opposition to
> class-based socialism—and who are now being whipped up against
> Assange.*
>
> *The media’s howls of outrage over Assange’s alleged conduct
> in bed, the high-sounding posturing as defenders of women and
> the invocations of natural justice are so much hot air. The
> sole aim of the press pack is to muddy the political waters,
> conceal the real issues at stake, and intimidate those opposed
> to extradition by casting them as misogynists or even
> “defenders of rape.”*
>
> *There is nothing to distinguish the SWP and SP’s stand from
> that of various faux liberal commentators such as Owen Jones,
> who wrote in the /Independent/ that people such as Assange who
> “do otherwise commendable work” if “presented with rape
> allegations” must “face them like anybody else… Let’s be
> clear, rape is rape.”*
>
> *What unites all of these media commentators, the ex-left
> included, is an insistence that the /allegations/ (no charges
> have been laid) against Assange are grave and must be taken
> seriously. By “seriously” they mean entirely uncritically and,
> above all, without reference to the context in which they were
> made. To do otherwise, they insist, is to somehow question not
> only his two accusers, but to endorse the exploitation of
> womankind by predatory males everywhere.*
>
> *This endlessly repeated injunction must be rejected. It is
> only in the deeply disoriented circles to which the
> /Guardian/, /Independent/, et al. cater, of which the SWP and
> SP are an essential component, that the presumption of
> innocence can be replaced by an insistence that all women tell
> the truth and all men are liars and sexual predators.*
>
> *The reason why there are still no charges placed against
> Assange is that the claims made by his accusers are not
> credible. His relations with the two women were consensual.
> Indeed, both of the women had repeated sexual encounters with
> Assange over an extended period, including after the alleged
> incidents that led to their complaints.*
>
> *The European arrest warrant against Assange alleges “unlawful
> coercion” when he purportedly held plaintiff one down with his
> body weight and sexually molested her by allegedly failing to
> use a condom. The same accusation of not using a condom is
> made for plaintiff two, along with a claim that she was asleep
> when sex was initiated by Assange. The final claim is that he
> “deliberately molested” plaintiff one by pressing his erect
> penis against her body.*
>
> *The police statements made by the women make no reference to
> a stated lack of consent or threat of force and refer to a
> split condom, rather than a failure to use one. The testimony
> regarding Miss W (plaintiff two) being asleep is contradicted
> by her own tweets—referring as they do to being only
> “half-asleep.” Plaintiff one had thrown a party for Assange
> after the alleged incident of sexual assault against her and
> invited Assange to stay in her room afterwards.*
>
> *The women had initially gone to the police after conferring
> with one another, but then only to insist that Assange take an
> HIV test, which, in an extraordinary breach of standard
> procedure, the police did. The women did not allege rape.*
>
> *That is why the initial investigation of August 20, 2010 was
> dropped and an arrest warrant against Assange cancelled the
> next day by one of Stockholm’s chief prosecutors, Eva Finne,
> who said in a statement to the press: “I don’t think there is
> reason to suspect that he has committed rape.”*
>
> *The reissue of the warrant took place only after the
> intervention of Swedish Chief Prosecutor Marianne Ny on
> September 1, 2010.*
>
> *Under normal circumstances, such flimsy and unsubstantiated
> allegations would not be considered the basis for criminal
> charges, especially after the two women were allowed to confer
> and give evidence together by the police. But these are not
> normal circumstances.*
>
> *Whatever weasel words are employed by his accusers, the
> levelling of sex allegations against Assange was clearly
> politically motivated. It was done only after consultation
> between the police, public prosecutors and the Swedish
> government.*
>
> *Equally, the determination of the Conservative-Liberal
> Democrat government in the UK to deport Assange, even if this
> means breaking diplomatic relations with Ecuador, can have
> nothing other than political motives. This is, after all, a
> country that worked might and main to ensure that the fascist
> mass murderer Augusto Pinochet was not extradited to Spain.*
>
> *Those journalistic hacks who deny the involvement of
> Washington in these events know they are lying. They do so
> because of a shared desire to see Assange silenced. Those such
> as the SWP and SP who insist that the threat of his being
> shipped off to the US should not impede a supposed struggle
> against gender-based violence are more shame-faced, but
> contribute to the same outcome.*
>
>
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