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[Germaine Light]

Some good, some bad
His opponent, The alternative makes me shudder!

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Germaine 

On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:55 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net> wrote:

> What do you think of Obama?
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> He summarily executes Americans and others, kills children, and asserts powers (like indefinite detention) clearly denied him by the Constitution. 
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> The founders would not hesitate to say that his high crimea and misdemeanors are what the impeachment clause was designed for.
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> In a just world, he would be in a cell in The Hague (next to Bush and others) awaiting trial for war crimes. 
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> He became president by lying to the American people ("the peace candidate") and co-opting the antiwar movement; once in office he expanded the war.
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> He understands correctly that his constituency is the 1%, so his policies are consistently pro-war and pro-Wall Street.  
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> His job, which he understands well, is to "restore the faith of the American people in their government" ("The Audacity of Hope") - i.e., to lie to them in a plausible manner, in order to protect policies that are not in their interest but enrich the elite. (Look at the figures on the concentration of wealth since the financial crisis.) 
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> Such a program cannot be defeated by electoral politics, given the control of both 'major' parties. It will take something like the civil rights movement or anti-Vietnam war movement to reverse Obama's economic and military policies. (They're also Bush's and Romney's policies.)
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> But it's hard to see how anyone can in good conscience vote for a child-killer.  
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> I think we should end all the wars  & that we should elect a congressman to vote against them. So who do you think will do this?
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> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:26 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> You are making assumptions about what I think.  
>> You don't know what I think of Obama. 
>> You have never asked me & I have not told you.
>> I think we should end all the wars 
>> & that we should elect a congressman to vote against them.
>> So who do you think will do this?
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Germaine 
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>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:40 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net> wrote:
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>>> I don't revere Tim Johnson. I do think Congresspeople should vote against the vicious and unjustified killing that the US government is doing in Asia and Africa. 
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>>> I think you do revere Barack Obama, who is summarily executing men, women, and children, including American citizens, with no shred of legal authority. 
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>>> I would like to elect a Congressional representative who would vote to impeach such an obvious violator of the Constitution. 
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>>> David Gill won't do that.  --CGE
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>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Germaine Light <lightport at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>> Carl, your REVERED Tim Johnson voted FOR Bush's war plans more than once.
>>>> You admire Tim Johnson for changing his mind about war, but that's easy for aRepublican to now blame the democrat.  
>>>> And the war issue, as important as it is, is not the only issue that has importance.  There's health care, labor, education, & others.  Tim Johnson was not very good in any of these.  But he isn't running anyway. 
>>>> Time to look at the candidates we have now and the proposals that are on the table now. I agree with Astrid & the CCHCC that sometimes you can get small improvements in steps which can add up to mentionable victories.  Sometimes you have to fight & Claw for every small morsel!
>>>> It's Always OK to debate, but there are times when the left would do better sticking together.  Devisive arguments that weaken the left at the wrong time can have very bad results.  
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>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Germaine Light
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>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:46 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <cge at shout.net> wrote:
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>>>>>  
>>>>> Here's one of his publicity photos, David. 
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>>>>> What is it the Obamanians say? "Oh, he's got to do that!"
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>>>>> But will he vote against Obama's war plans, as Tim Johnson does?
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>>>>> Will he vote against Obama's 'entitlement' cuts?
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>>>>> I hope so.  --CGE
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>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:54 PM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> Gill will be one of the few dems I will vote for in November ( the rest I will leave blank or vote third party ).
>>>>>> The reason I will vote for Gill is because of his position supporting expanding medicare for all and his changed and improved position against the continued occupation of Afganistan and his refusal to accept corporate money.
>>>>>> If the democratic party has any future it will need to have more candidates like David Gill.
>>>>>> I hope he doesn't flip flop once he is elected, I have had that happen all too often in the past.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> David J.
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