[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] sleepwalking into the drone age - "I Met a 16-Year-Old Kid. 3 Days Later Obama Killed Him"

Sun Jun 17 02:33:44 UTC 2012

We'll get lots more traction w/ a kinder gentler entry. And if we're gonna ask kids, it's even more important -- and less upsetting to them -- to approach it from the positive side of things (yeah, hard for some on this list to do that, when they sooooooo prefer, even relish the negative stuff). Q: what can we do to make things peaceful?  Answers will be general (and funny, too at times): be nice; don't fight; tell people you like them; help them, share, don't be a bully... If anybody has access to a ready made group, it could be a mini project. Otherwise, AWARE et al could poll kids at e g the Farmers' Market (w/ parents permission, of course) -- jot down the answers, along w/ kids' names, last initial, home town... and later make the signs (somebody already said these need to be brief and readable).  

--- On Sat, 6/16/12, s.hansen at comcast.net <s.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:

From: s.hansen at comcast.net <s.hansen at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] sleepwalking into the drone age - "I Met a 16-Year-Old Kid. 3 Days Later Obama Killed Him"
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>, "Stuart Levy" <salevy at illinois.edu>
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 12:43 PM

#yiv332638414 p {margin:0;}Hey everyone--just a thought.  Maybe you should get some ideas from some kids about what they think about war and what kind of statement they would like to make in a parade about something like war and all.  I know they are all exposed to everything on the news about our troubled times, and maybe they should give us some input on what adults should be doing  about these things. What kind of float would they like to make, to make the point of 'Peace'. I know when I was 8,9,10 years old, I was thinking about these things, and worrying about atomic bombs and such.  No one every asked me about my worries or for my op-pinion for that matter. Surely there are some 8,9,10 yearolds thinking about these things.  Epically in families that are politically active.  Maybe adults are over thinking things a little too much.  Just a thought.  Never had kids, but some times they give us the best, unfiltered by baggage, ideas. 
 After all, 4th of July Parades are for kids, or the kid in all of us.  I think is is a great idea to have kids in Parade, how bout give them a voice in what they would want to do.  They might be able to say it simpler than us 'grtown-ups'. We don't want it to be a downer do we?  Wish I had some kids around to ask, but I don't have any kids or grand kids either for that matter.  Any way just a thought. Has any one ask an actual kid what they think?
Sandra

From: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>

To: "Stuart Levy" <salevy at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:06:13 AM
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] sleepwalking into the drone age - "I        Met a 16-Year-Old Kid. 3 Days Later Obama Killed Him"

"To some degree it matters who's in office, but it matters more how  
much pressure they're under from the public." - Noam Chomsky

On Jun 16, 2012, at 1:36 AM, Stuart Levy wrote:

> The article's "sleepwalkers" aren't our leaders, but the American  
> people - Clive Smith writes:
>
> The dearth of US domestic criticism is astounding. The last time a  
> president indulged in an illegal bombing campaign in the sovereign  
> territory of allies (Richard Nixon in 1969, in Cambodia and Laos),  
> the policy nearly got included in the articles of impeachment. We  
> should remember that history, as the Vietnamese capitalised on the  
> backlash, helping to impose the genocidal Khmer Rouge on Cambodia,  
> and a single-party regime that endures 40 years later in Laos.
>
> Ultimately, Mitt Romney faces a dilemma: what must a Republican  
> candidate do to outflank the extremism of his Democratic opponent?  
> The rest of us must be concerned as well: we are sleepwalking into  
> the Drone Age, and few people are debating the dire consequences.
>
>
>
> On 6/16/12 1:20 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>> The problem with that is that it suggests "War" killed the kid.
>>
>> Obama killed him. He didn't have to.
>>
>> And he isn't "sleepwalking." He's quite conscious.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>
>>> A banner w/ the famous quote -- WAR IS NOT GOOD FOR CHILDREN AND  
>>> OTHER LIVING THINGS -- would cover most of the suggestions so far  
>>> for the 4th of July Parade... including this sad sad drone poster.  
>>> A cemetery full of crosses would get the idea across.
>>> I didn't like the idea of dressing kids in camouflage -- looks  
>>> like we're promoting child soldiers, when actually we aren't  
>>> promoting ANY soldiers, right?? Not bloody stuff or gory   
>>> pictures, either -- this is a family event, and we'll get farther  
>>> if we emphasize the peace- rather than the war aspects. Just my 2c.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 6/14/12, Stuart Levy <salevy at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Stuart Levy <salevy at illinois.edu>
>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] sleepwalking into the drone age - "I Met  
>>> a 16-Year-Old Kid. 3 Days Later Obama Killed Him"
>>> To: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net 
>>> >
>>> Cc: "Stuart Levy" <salevy at illinois.edu>
>>> Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 7:17 AM
>>>
>>> This article could move a lot of people, I think, who are inclined  
>>> to believe the Administration's line about killing only truly  
>>> deserving militants with our drone strikes.   We should hand it  
>>> out    at the Market, at least.
>>>
>>>
>>>      http://www.alternet.org/story/155723/i_met_a_16-year-old_kid._3_days_later_obama_killed_him?page=entire
>>>
>>>
>>> And I'd really like to include something about drones in the 4th  
>>> of July parade.
>>> The picture below is from the AFSC exhibit
>>>    "Windows and Mirrors / Reflections on the War in Afghanistan"
>>>     http://www.windowsandmirrors.org/
>>> which was on display in Chicago during the anti-NATO conference -  
>>> one of about
>>> thirty large pieces.  Perhaps we could bring the exhibit here --  
>>> maybe in the fall?
>>> But I wonder if we could get permission to reproduce this stark  
>>> image as a parade poster.
>>>
>>> <efgjhgag.png>
>>>
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