[Peace-discuss] my comment...

Thu May 31 00:13:04 UTC 2012

There's no reason to believe that things would have been better, had  
Gore become president in 2001.

By all accounts, he was one of the more belligerent members of the  
Democratic administration that attacked Serbia, bombed Sudan and Iraq,  
and killed a million Iraqis with sanctions. (The half million dead  
children were "Worth it," said the Sec. of State.) There's no reason  
to suppose that he wouldn't have followed the constant US policy (from  
WWII on) in the Mideast, as Bush Jr. did.

In the 2000 campaign, Bush attacked Gore for "nation-building" - i.e.,  
the attack on Serbia. Americans who were against that sort of  
intervention didn't vote for Gore.

Of course, Bush (like Obama) lied about his warlike plans. But people  
believed both of them.

Nader voters (I'm one) were surely correct to vote for what they  
wanted - and not get it (as Debs said), rather than vote for what they  
didn't want and get it. --CGE

On May 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, David Johnson wrote:

> Jenifer,
>
> With all due respect, you are horribly misinformed.
>
> Start with Greg Pallast's reporting ( the freelance reporter who  
> broke the story and offered it to CBS and later the rest of the  
> corporate media and they refused to cover it until Salon.com broke  
> the story, then they only covered it superficialy. )
>
> Then see www.blackboxvoting.org
>
> Maybe some others on the list can suggest some other sources.
>
> David J.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jenifer Cartwright
> To: David Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with  
> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and  
> tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed  
> voter. Today at noon online
>
> Uh... as I understand it, the FL debacle wouldn't have made any  
> difference if the Nader folks had voted against Bush.
>
> --- On Tue, 5/29/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:
>
> From: David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with  
> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and  
> tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed  
> voter. Today at noon online
> To: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,  
> "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 9:16 PM
>
> " Look what those Nader votes bro't: "
>
> Here we go again,
> You still don't get it do you ?
>
> It was NOT the votes for Nader that brought Bush and Alito et al,
> But instead the STOLEN 2000 election that your boy Al Gore and the  
> corporate democratic party did NOTHING about !
>
> No call for mass protests and general strikes, which is what happens  
> in REAL democracies when an election is stolen by fraud, but instead  
> a half ass court case that was not even appealed. And then blame  
> Nader. The easy way out and simaltaneously a distraction. Brought to  
> you by the corporate controlled DNC ( Democratic National Commitee ).
>
> I am PROUD that I voted for Nader and I REFUSE to buy into the two  
> party shellgame that you advocate.
> I want REAL change, not phoney rhetoric.
>
> The last democratic I voted for and SUPPORTED at the national level  
> was Dennis Kucinich, and look what the DNC did to him in collusion  
> with the RNC.
>
>
> Look where electing Obama and for a while a dem controlled House and  
> Senate got us......
> No where but WORSE !
>
> Remember Nancy Pelosi on election night 2006 when word came on the  
> corporate media that the Dems had just taken control of both the  
> House and Senate ?
> What were the first words out of her mouth.....
> " Impeachment is off the table " !
>
> Gee, kind of an odd statement from a leader of the so called "  
> opposition " party. In most democracies in the world, the head of a  
> REAL opposition political party would have called for the IMMEDIATE  
> formation of an impeachment hearing and the begining of reversing  
> specific policies of the Bush crime family.
> But not from Nancy and the dems, their main priority was to protect  
> one of their own ( the 1% ) even if he played on the other team.
>
> Four years after electing Obama the same policies of the 1% are  
> being impemented that Obama supports ; endless war, no public health  
> care, attacks upon the standard of living of Working people,  
> attempts to privatize social security and medicare, and the list  
> goes on and on and on...!
>
> There will NEVER be change for the better in this country unless one  
> of three things happen :
>
> 1) Form a third party across the country whose main platform  
> objective is to REFUSE ANY AND ALL CORPORATE MONEY and start with  
> local elections, working up to state races and then on to national  
> races
>
> 2) Take over the democratic party and run candidates in the  
> primaries who refuse to take CORPORATE MONEY, against the corporate  
> backed candidates of the DNC and if they lose to the corporate  
> backed candidates, REFUSE to back the corporate dem in the general  
> election.
> None of this " Oh but I must support the party's elected candidate ".
>
> 3) Take over the republican party and do the same thing as above.
>
> So keep voting for those democrats and see where it gets us, more of  
> the SAME bullshit !
>
> David Johnson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jenifer Cartwright
> To: Peace-discuss List ; Karen Medina
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with  
> IllinoisPublic Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and  
> tellher what information you want from us so you can be aninformed  
> voter. Today at noon online
>
> Best is a relative term. Obama is definitely the far lesser of two  
> evils. Surely you no NOT want Romney running things foreign and  
> domestic... naming the next Supreme Court Justice(s)??? Look what  
> those Nader votes bro't: Geo Bush and Roberts and Alito. Nuff said.
>
> --- On Fri, 5/25/12, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] my comment to WILL/IPR Fwd: Chat with  
> Illinois Public Media's Kimberlie Kranich today over lunch and tell  
> her what information you want from us so you can be an informed  
> voter. Today at noon online
> To: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Friday, May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
>
> There is no "best" candidate to find.
>
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