[Peace-discuss] [Peace] False Claims about Depleted Uranium in Fallujah

Thu Oct 18 13:14:21 UTC 2012

Carl,

I hate to say it but you are an arrogant ignoramus.  DU is so weak
radioactively that it has no real radiation effects, but the real clincher
is that it never was used in Fallujah.  I have been looking for reference
links because I have the documents, but not the links, pertaining to the
use of tank ammunition during the battles of Fallujah.  The articles that
you provided all come from one source Mozghan Savabiesafahani who falsely
claims to have done research for the University of Michigan under contract
to the World Health Organization.  Her real forte is disrupting Jewish
prayer services in Ann Arbor.  As I recall, you are some sort of
religionist and I doubt that your God would stand for someone who disrupts
prayer services of any faith,  There are children with birth defects in
Fallujah, but what is the cause, not DU since it never was used there and
probably not anything else since there were very few civilians in Fallujah
during the battles.  Read the book New Dawn, the Battles of Fallujah by
Richard Lowry, you might actually learn something if you have any kind of
reasoning capability within your ears.  If that is not the case, then I
find it hard to believe that the taxpayers of the Land of Lincoln paid good
money for you to teach their most precious resource, their children.  More
later, but your arrogant and ignorant rebuttal needed to be put in its
place.  By the way, you seem to think that you are still fighting the Bush
Administration's lies - and you never seem to have learned that you do not
fight lies with bigger lies - you scrupulously adhere to the truth and you
verify everything and just don't go off half cocked just because it sounds
good to your political leanings.  By the way, I personally donated to the
Citizens for Legitimate Government group formed from a Yahoo Group I
belonged to after the selection on 2000.  We flew a banner over the 2001
Rose Bowl about the Selection.  I never supported George W Bush.

Roger W Helbig

my Mother was Class of 1941 of the University of Illinois sadly, she died
two days after I was born due to childbirth complications -

PS - everyone reading this ingested, breathed in and drank a fraction of a
microgram of DU (aka U-238) today and will do so every day of the rest of
their life.  All of your ancestors back to the earlies protohumanoids did
the same and all of your progeny to the nth future generation will do so as
well as long as we remain on Earth - U-238 is just that common and without
uranium, this would be a dead planet since the fissioning of uranium and
decay heat keeps the Earth's core molten - given this, if U-238 were the
horrid toxin that Saddam Hussein and all of the peace activists who bought
into his spiel, then why has humanity survived at all?  That is the
question that the ICBUW never asks nor answers.  If any of you who are with
the University of Illinois want to learn more, go to the Geology,
Chemistry, Physics and Biology departments and ask!

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>wrote:

> An epidemic of birth defects - genetic damage - suggests radiation rather
> than "other ... poisons."
>
> On Oct 17, 2012, at 10:24 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
>  How do you know these claimed effects  were due to depleted Uranium, and
> not other of war's poisons? I doubt that you do.
>
>  --mkb
>
>  On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>  Regarding depleted uranium & US tactics, see the following:
>
>    Horrifying birth defects reported in children of *Fallujah*, Basra<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Horrifying-birth-defects-reported-in-children-of-Fallujah-Basra/articleshow/16837393.cms>
> Times of India-Oct 16, 2012
> NEW DELHI: There has been a staggering rise in birth defects among
> children born in *Fallujah* and Basra after bombing and occupation by the
> *...*
>         New evidence that US invasion has produced epidemic of birth *...*<http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/iraq-o17.shtml>
> World Socialist Web Site-19 hours ago
> Eight years after the attacks on *Fallujah*, a majority-Sunni city about
> 40 miles west of Baghdad where the resistance to the invasion had been *
> ...*
>         "After the Fire, the Fire Still Burns": Horror Goes on for
> Victims of Iraq *...*<http://www.opednews.com/articles/After-the-Fire-the-Fire-by-Chris-Floyd-121016-925.html>
> OpEdNews-Oct 16, 2012
> Years ago, I wrote several pieces about the savage decimation of *Fallujah
> * by American forces in 2004. Some of those pieces [here and here, * ...*
>         Iraqi Cities See 'Extraordinary' Rise In Birth Defects After 2003
> *...*<http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/15/iraqi-birth-defects-babies-basrah-fallujah_n_1966498.html?ncid=GEP>
> Huffington Post UK-Oct 15, 2012
> American forces bombed *Fallujah* in April 2004, and again seven months
> later in some of the heavy air strike campaigns seen during the iraq *...*
>
>      US munitions linked to 'staggering rise' in Iraqi birth defects<http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/334937>
> DigitalJournal.com <http://digitaljournal.com/>-Oct 16, 2012
> *Fallujah* - A recently published study has reported a "staggering rise"
> in birth defects and miscarriages among babies and women living in parts *
> ...*
>
>    On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>   First I've heard about yr Rokke bio, or yr seeking info about him. Good
> luck w/ that.
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
> To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 10:26 PM
>
>  Because it is in Champaign-Urbana and I was looking for people who know
> Douglas Lind Rokke in Rantoul.  Rokke is a con artist who has been playing
> a role he created about 1999 and he has been spreading lies about depleted
> uranium and his own military and academic experiences.  I was not referring
> to you, but to David Johnson.  I only copied you because you actually were
> kind enough to suggest that Johnson's addressing me through the list was
> not really appropriate.   Thanks for that.
>
> What amazes me about many alleged "peace activists" is that they have been
> so taken in by lies just because they want to believe the worst about their
> own country.  I personally believe you never fight lies with bigger lies,
> but Johnson appears to believe the exact opposite,
>
> Roger
>
> PS - have you ever met or listened to Rokke?  If so, I am his unofficial
> biographer.  He lied about me so I found out the truth about him.
>
>  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>   Uh... if you meant ME, there's only one "n" in my first name (blame my
> parents). However,  I'm guessing that the only thing we have in common is
> unusual name spelling. Why did you join this list??
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/15/12, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
> To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: dlj725 at microsoft.com
> Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 3:17 AM
>
>  Mr Johnson, the next time you decide to call me out in the subject line,
> then I suggest you spell my name correctly - there is no R in the last name
> - Hell is a big place to hold all the sinners and there is only one L in my
> last name - got it.
>
> Al Quaeda did not exist prior to the eviction of the Soviet Army from
> Afghanistan - so your history is a bit suspect too.
>
> Thanks, Jennifer.
>
> Roger Helbig
>
>  On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jencart13@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   David Johnson,
> This belongs on Peace-discuss, NOT on Peace. If you respect the lists,
> those on the list will be more likely to respect you.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Fri, 10/12/12, David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com<http://mc/compose?to=dlj725@microsoft.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com<http://mc/compose?to=dlj725@microsoft.com>
> >
> Subject: [Peace] This is for you Mr. Hebrig
> To: "Peace C-U Discussion" <peace at lists.chambana.net<http://mc/compose?to=peace@lists.chambana.net>
> >
> Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 5:08 PM
>
>   Lets not forget that the CIA helped to create, finance, arm, train and
> encourage Al Queda and the Taliban against the populist left-wing
> government of Afganistan during the late 1970's and most of the 1980's.
> Lets also not forget the right-wing fanatical Jewish settlers who
> violently attack unarmed Palestinian civilians including women, old people
> and children, ALL financed from OUR tax dollars via the corporate
> controlled U.S. Government, in order to steal their land. Hebrig is
> trying to imply from his last post that the U.S. military occupation of
> Afganistan and yes Iraq ( 100,000 private mercenaries, 50,000 U.S. troops
> in 12 U.S. military bases and an embassy larger than the Vatican ) is for
> humanitarian and democracy reasons. Democracy and human rights has NEVER
> been a priority of the U.S. government since the end of World War II. Its
> all about corporate control of low wages and cheap natural resources that
> exclusively benefits the 1 %, at the expense of the rest of us, THE WORKING
> CLASS ! And yes Hebrig, rather you are in denial or not, YOU are also
> Working Class ! David Johnson Friday, October 12, 2012
>  Religious fundamentalists try to murder girl for seeking education.
>  The religious fundamentalists the Taliban have tried to murder 14 year
> old school girl Malala Yousafzai because she spoke out to say she wanted to
> be a doctor. This is an act of the most extreme and savage barbarity that
> must be unconditionally condemned by all. The US press is full of
> indignation about this event. However we need to keep in mind a few things.
> When it suited them one US government after another worked with the Taliban
> to try and achieve its aims in Afghanistan and Central Asia, these aims
> were to hem in Russia and China.
>
> We also have to remember that Saudi Arabia is the most important ally of
> the US in the Middle East after Israel. And here is what the New York Times
> has to say about this extreme fundamentalist regime, the friend of the Bush
> family, the US oil industry and US capitalism. In an article by Nicholas D
> Kristof in the New York Times October 11th, he wrote: "One of my greatest
> frustrations when I travel to Pakistan is that I routinely spot extremest
> madrases, or schools, financed by medieval misogynists from Saudi Arabia or
> elsewhere. They provide meals, free tuition and sometimes scholarships to
> lure boys  - because their donors understand perfectly that education
> shapes countries." So these allies and friends of the US capitalist class
> are financing the very outfits and pushing the very ideas that nurture the
> Taliban and end up killing young girls.
>
> Like the fundamentalist religious nut cases everywhere, whether in the
> Islamic world, or the Jewish world or the Christian world, these ideas and
> people are a threat to a civilized society and especially to women.
>
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