[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer

[C. G. Estabrook]

Or you can stick your fingers in your ears and chant "la-la-la-la" so that you don't have to hear any political opinions but your own. 

On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey Rachel,
> Before you bail, try this -- I've done this for several years now. Don't bother reading emails from the repeat offenders (we both know who they are) but do report them as spam. Then their emails come directly into yr spam box, and you can delete them all at the same time, very satisfying... and you can still remain on the list to send and receive the worthwhile stuff.
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/29/12, Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a job-killer
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
> Cc: "peace-discuss at anti-war.net" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "Ricky Baldwin" <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>, "occupycu" <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Monday, October 29, 2012, 5:05 PM
> 
> I want off of this list. If there is someone else organizing for Occupy, I'd like to be a part of it. But these emails are atrocious and they are the only ones coming from the list these days. I don't think I can justify any longer staying on a list that is dominated by trolling without anyone stepping in or moderating--"the world we want is the world we need." I don't want to be a part of such a dis-organized space and have remained here only because I want news about Occupy, dialogue/imagination, and a way to communicate with others who want to organize against capitalism and f'ed up dynamics of power (racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, ableism, etc.) Unfortunately, at this point, this list doesn't seem like a radical space at all. 
> 
>  Can someone remove me?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> You'd have to have some sort of excuse for voting for a child killer. ("I had to kill this kid, or someone would have done something bad to me...")
> 
> 
> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org> wrote:
> 
> > I agree with this much:
> >
> > "In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
> >
> > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention."
> >
> > But I think it's worth specifically pointing out that voting strategically or pragmatically (some might say "intelligently") does not somehow "corrupt" a person.  People may vote in relative ignorance or fear, and either of those things could have a negative impact on his or her mental health and/or effectiveness as a human being ad member of society, but of course neither one of those things is anything new in human history.  I also think the effect is pretty minor if we're talking about voting, as opposed to the things people may do out of fear and/or ignorance in many parts of the world and in history in order to survive, to get a job, to eat, to protect their families and communities, etc.
> >
> > --- In case anyone doesn't mind my 2c... But I suppose the short-term effect is the same as the above, at least in the case of that presidential elections, which is the vote that has the least impact.
> >
> > Ricky
> > ________________________________________
> > From: occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net [occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G. Estabrook [cge at shout.net]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:18 AM
> > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> > Cc: sf-core; occupycu
> > Subject: [OccupyCU] They let us choose between a child-killer and a     job-killer
> >
> > ...and we're corrupted by voting for either.
> >
> > In Illinois, the Green party's candidate, Jill Stein, is on the ballot, and one could write-in Rocky Anderson (Justice party), who's been impressive in the third-party debates.
> >
> > The third-party vote in Illinois will probably make more of an impression than abstention.