[Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?

Sat Sep 1 17:49:27 UTC 2012

The NYT is working hard to make sure that the Republicans are down with the program to continue the Obama (& Bush) military policies. The problem is that there's growing opposition to those policies, here and abroad.

While the Romney Republicans were busily suppressing their anti-war wing (the Ron Paulists), the NYT ran a remarkable spread with pictures of the 2,000 Americans who'd died in Afghanistan (without noting that most of them died from Obama's surge).

The point was to forestall any suggestion from Romney that Obama "wasn't doing enough" in Afghanistan.

The typical Obama lie is that he's withdrawing from Afghanistan (he isn't). But he wants to make sure that Romney can't criticize either what he's doing (widening the war) nor mendaciously says he's doing (withdrawing), in order to improve Republican electoral chances. The NYT is assisting avidly.

The only criticism of the Romney-Obama economic and military policies comes, oddly enough, from a half-demented old actor - the return of the repressed...

That after all is what Occupy was all about. --CGE

On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:52 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> As if on cue, transparently disingenuous Democratic front rhetoric in the NYT:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/opinion/romney-is-caught-between-neoconservatives-and-neo-isolationists.html?ref=opinion
>  
> "Mitt Romney hopes to persuade Americans not only that he can fix the economy but also that he can lead at a time of great uncertainty abroad. To do so, he needs to first unite his party by offering clear alternatives to the president’s policies. Vague criticisms of Mr. Obama won’t cut it."
> 
> From: C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net>
> To: Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; ocCUpy <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net> 
> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [OccupyCU] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
> It's important to assess how important the difference it makes is. The answer seems to be, not much.
>  
> Obama - although he campaigned against them - followed Bush's economic and military polices, if in a more brutal and efficient fashion.
> 
> That may be some slight reason to vote against him, but it's certainly not a reason to support him.
> 
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I find it mind-boggling that anyone who lived through the years 2000-2008 really believes "it makes no difference."
>> 
>> 
>> From: C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net>
>> To: Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: Peace Discuss <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; ocCUpy <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>; Peace <peace at anti-war.net> 
>> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>> I think it's wrong to give Obama a pass on Bradley Manning and hold off on condemning his crimes - from the suppression of WikiLeaks to the murders of Americans and others - for ostensible fear of a candidate (Romney) whose positions on economic and military matters are inherently identical to those of the administration. 
>> 
>> "Voting for reform-minded candidates should take about five minutes, and then we go back to the important work on the ground to change the conditions in which the mostly farcical election process proceeds" [Chomsky]. --CGE
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm guessing you guys haven't been listening to the Repub Convention speeches, but Romney et al are  FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Obama et al... So how 'bout we save our protests until AFTER the election, and use our energy defeating the LOTS WORSE evils??? It won't significantly affect YOUR lives if the Dems are defeated, but it will be devastating to MILLIONS across the US and the world.
>>> 
>>> --- On Fri, 8/31/12, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Farmer's Market and Demonstration on Saturday; and, another on Sept. 6th for Bradley Manning on eve of Obama's speech?
>>> To: "Peace" <peace at anti-war.net>, "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, "ocCUpy" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>
>>> Date: Friday, August 31, 2012, 11:26 AM
>>> 
>>> The wars go on despite the weather and so shall we (at least we'll try).Expect AWARE and CUCPJ at the Farmer's Market tomorrow morning, 8-noon.And, from 2-4, the AWARE+OccupyCU demonstration will be at its usual first-Saturday site,   Main and Neil, downtown Champaign   2-4 PM Saturday, Sept. 1stIf it turns into a real downpour, we'll retire somewhere nearby for lunch.There's also a nationally-coordinated suggestion for groups to hold demonstrations on *Thursday, September 6th*, in support of Bradley Manning --    "Show Obama that Bradley Manning is our hero"Why the 6th?  That's the date of Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC.To make a definite *proposal*, how about:   (proposed) Demonstration in support of accused whistleblower Bradley Manning   5:00PM Thursday, Sept. 6th   Urbana Veterans' Memorial       (that's Broadway and Main, or, the NW corner of the block where the county courthouse is)What do people think?   (Could also make sense to complain more broadly about Obama's unfulfilled promise as a peace, civil liberties, etc. candidate from four years ago.)If you like the idea *and* think you can be there for at least part of 5-6PM, please write back (either to peace-discuss at anti-war.net or to occupyCU or to me, but not to the peace list please).If we have at least, say, five people who believe they can do this, then let's go for it.  Meanwhile let's consider Sept. 6th as still tentative._______________________________________________Peace-discuss mailing listPeace-discuss at lists.chambana.nethttp://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
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