[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Finkelstein on Ghandi

[Stan Waggoner]

There is more of us than them.  
 
Building one from scratch means getting some from them, and some from us, dividing both parties, and creating a third.  
 
In 1856 when the Whig party was already dieing that was doable.  
 
The easiest way now is to move the Democratic Party further to the left.  We do it a step at a time, not moving mountains a Boulder at a time.
 
One final thought.  Both Dianne Feinstein and Rahm Emmanuel want to get re-elected.  Without us they can not.  They need to know that.  We may be able to defeat them today by voting Republican.  We can defeat them tomorrow by spending our time trying to build a perfect third party today.
 
Stan
 

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 From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
To: Stan Waggoner <swag901 at ymail.com> 
Cc: "peace-discuss at anti-war.net" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; "occupycu at lists.chambana.net" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Finkelstein on Ghandi
  

If you bother to "take over" the party, then why not just build one from scratch, or take over one that is not being used. You're talking the party of Dianne Feinstein and Rahm Emmanuel.


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> From: Stan Waggoner <swag901 at ymail.com>
>To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>; "peace-discuss at anti-war.net" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; "occupycu at lists.chambana.net" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] Finkelstein on Ghandi
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>Ok, so those of us on the left should throw away the organizations that have gotten the Democratic party where it is, and start building a "perfect" Democratic Party.  HooHaa.  
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>In the time it takes to do that, there will be nothing left for the "perfect" Democratic Party to govern.  
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>We need to go to the Democratic Party meetings each month, we need to call in to the Penny For Your Thoughts show on WDWS, we need to talk to each person we see, and tell them the truth.  Anything less, anything other (third party), only lets the extreme right (Republican Party) destroy our country.
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>We need to re-take the Democratic Party for the benefit of the PEOPLE not the party.
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>Stan
>AKA Reasonable Man Stan
>WDWS
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> From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
>To: "peace-discuss at anti-war.net" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; "occupycu at lists.chambana.net" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:03 AM
>Subject: [OccupyCU] Finkelstein on Ghandi
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>http://www.zcommunications.org/gandhi-and-occupy-by-norman-finkelstein 
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>There is a lot to be learned from Finkelstein's study of Gandhi that is relevant to tactics being discussed on various local lists. Notice that elections and voting in our two party system are (tellingly) not even mentioned. Neither party is mentioned. In my opinion, Republicans promote the neoliberal agenda by proposing extreme measures. Democrats promote the neoliberal agenda by proposing compromises with Republicans. This has been a collective effort for goals that rulers of both parties support. It's worked pretty well for 36 years, since the campaign of 1976 when Carter was elected. 
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>There are worthy goals of equality and recognition regarding race, gender, sexual orientation, immigrants, etc. still to be achieved, obviously. Unfortunately, these goals are by and large co-opted as a part of Democratic Party tactics to win votes for their ultimately neoliberal agenda, which ultimately converts genuine grievances into identity politics. That is why, even given an understanding of the historical struggle for voting rights for African-Americans, I'm left cold by all the attention being devoted to voting rights by the progressive media. Of course there are legitimate ongoing grievances and Republican outrages; but ultimately an emphasis on "working within the system" is only to the advantage of the domianant in a system based on domination. 
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>And don't forget that both parties will try to run to the "right" of each other regarding foreign policy, especially Israel; ain't nobody gonna get my Jewish vote. 
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>David Green
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