[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] honesty in arguments

[Brian Dolinar]

Carl E. is a human wrecking ball who single-handedly managed to wreck the
AWARE group, and now seems to be bent on destroying the Occupy group. Folks
are best not to take the bait.

BD

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Michael Weissman <mbwmbwmbw at gmail.com>wrote:

> Carl-
>
> I shouldn't get involved in this, but like they say, Ich kann nicht anders.
>
> As you can tell from a lot of the exchanges, some people are bothered by
> the style of your arguments. Or is it just the content they disagree
> strongly with?  Sometimes easier to sort out methods on issues where we
> don't have strong passions. The Serbia/Kosovo campaign serves that purpose
> for me, because it was a while ago, the people I knew who were from the
> area had wildly divergent views, and I was uncertain at the time.
>
> Looking over these arguments, it's pretty clear why people get fed up with
> the style. It seems like you start with a dishonest cheap shot and proceed
> to a statement that no one could possibly believe.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM, C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net> wrote:
>
> 1)
>>
>> More than a dozen years ago, then-President Clinton attacked Yugoslavia
>> for that purpose [to kill people for the profits of the American elite]-
>> not to deter Serbian attacks against Kosovo, as he said. (As the bombing
>> campaign began, U.S.-NATO Commanding General Wesley Clark informed the
>> press that it was “entirely predictable” that Serb terror would intensify
>> as a result.)
>>
>
> You know perfectly well that Clark was claiming that the Serb terror would
> continue to horrendous extents if NATO didn't attack, and that a very brief
> intensification was the cost of stopping it.
> I can't even remember how accurate his claim turned out to be, but
> twisting it to mean something almost opposite just insults all of us.
>
>
> The real purpose of the bombing campaign, months in the planning, was to
>> curb Serbia's economic independence.
>>
>>
> Seriously? NATO conducted a major bombing campaign "to curb Serbia's
> economic independence."
>
> Maybe in retrospect lots of our "humanitarian" actions may ultimately be
> seen as part of an overall pattern of self-aggrandizement, power, greed,
> etc. But don't insult  our intelligence by telling us that NATO's strategy
> is governed by fears of an economically independent Serbia.
>
> The twists and ironies of surface vs. deep motivations cut both ways.
> --
> Michael Weissman
>
>
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