[Peace-discuss] Fw: Tom Hayden: "liberal-left radicals" upsetw/Obama sell-outs are "blind" racists
David Johnson
dlj725 at hughes.net
Sat Sep 8 14:01:16 UTC 2012
Chomsky ?
If I am not mistaken, Chomsky is voting for Jill Stein of the Green party.
David J.
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From: Jenifer Cartwright
To: Morton KBrussel
Cc: Peace-discuss
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Tom Hayden: "liberal-left radicals" upsetw/Obama sell-outs are "blind" racists
I feel as you do about Obama, but I'm w/ Hayden, Chomsky, and many others on the necessity for his beating Romney/the Repubs -- hopefully enuff others do as well, so you/we don't have to find out how much worse it can get. Those four years would be just the tip of the tipping point for the US and the world...
--- On Fri, 9/7/12, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
From: Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Tom Hayden: "liberal-left radicals" upset w/Obama sell-outs are "blind" racists
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, September 7, 2012, 7:04 PM
Jenifer,
I stand by my statement. I've reread Hayden and scanned the attached commentary.
The system is corrupt, forcing people to vote for someone they know has committed, and is committing, horrendous harm, one who has subverted international law and what remains of much of our so-called democracy.
Hayden is trying to square the circle. He's grasping at straws (if I can heap on the metaphors). I wish him well in his efforts to mobilize constituencies to exert pressure on the power elites, but I am deeply pessimistic for the world and this nation. I certainly could never vote for Obama knowing what he and his cohorts have done in the last four years and how he has protected past war criminals from being brought to justice.
If people like me do the same, Obama might lose the election. Then, who knows what will happen? For at least for four more years, most common people the world over will probably suffer the consequences. Maybe then, things will change. If Obama wins, some bad things may be put off, but I 'll guess that the general trend he has followed will continue.
Our society and our biosphere is in for a slow and persistent decay on many fronts. I believe it will take a cataclysm for this country, and the world, to be turned around, to realize what is happening and how to change course. This does not mean as individuals we will stop advocating and fighting for what we believe: It is in our nature to continue doing what we can. After all, we know we are here on earth for only a short time, but that doesn't prevent us from doing our thing.
With our corrupt political and economic system, backed up by a media largely in cahoots, with or without Obama as president, I cry for the future. Obama does not deserve a pardon. Our grasping empire does not deserve a pardon.
--mkb
On Sep 7, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
Pls take another look Mort. Hayden does touch on the things you said he overlooked, some in the first half of the article. Anyhow, here's the last part of the article, plus a Q and A at the end:
In summary, Obama’s withdrawal from Iraq has been clouded in left disbelief and overshadowed by criticism of his policies in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and beyond. On the merits, these criticisms are entirely justified. When they lead to opposing Obama’s re-election, they help Romney and the return of the neo-cons.
WHERE TO GO FROM HERE
The white liberal-left, however modest in numbers, is hugely important in a close presidential election, where the margin of difference may be one percent or less in states with large progressive constituencies. If Obama loses, it will be unfair to blame the left, but they will be blamed nonetheless. As a consequence they will become more marginal, far less able to connect with the progressive constituencies and mass movements with vital stakes in Obama’s re-election.
The potential toll can be glimpsed already in the current decline of the radical left amidst the greatest economic meltdown in seven decades. Of course radical movements will rise again, but more likely from the activist networks who tried to stop Romney and re-elect Obama, not from those who sat on their hands and believed it was all another circus.
There is plenty of time to still make a difference. First, some people on the left will have to become used to the idea that partial power only brings partial results. While we can establish enclaves for dreamers from Mendocino to Brooklyn, from Madison to Austin, we have to win support from the center in battleground states or risk losing decades.
The second lesson is for self-defined radicals to be immersed in the everyday problems of the mass constituencies that depend on presidents to make a small margin of difference in their lives.
One small example of how it works: there would be no federal consent decrees over brutal police departments were in not for Al Sharpton hammering at Bill Clinton to include lawsuits for unconstitutional “patterns and practices” in his otherwise draconian Omnibus Crime legislation in 1994.
Third, election seasons are perfect organizing moments when large numbers of people are open to persuasion on public issues. It may be springtime before the next cycle of activism comes around again. Now is the time to build local lists and structures for voter turnout in November and street turnouts thereafter.
This particular election offers the perfect moment to build opposition to Citizens United and “corporate personhood,” for renewed movements for a constitutional right to vote, the deeper regulation of Wall Street, and a constitutional right to vote for campaigns down the road. Does anyone seriously believe that the Dreamers and marriage-equality movements will accept a return to second-class status without the fight of their lifetimes?
It can be time to begin a realignment of the electoral left as well. The active Green Party networks need to shed their reputation as “spoilers” just as the Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) needs to shed its appearance of only “tailing” the Democrats. Labor insurgents like National Nurses United, and even the formidable SEIU, are demanding a more independent role in coalition politics. One can almost feel a new politics trying to be born in the so-called womb of the old, a third “party of the people” both inside and outside the two-party system. What if the Green Party decided to invest in places of the richest electoral opportunity instead of campaigning vigorously where the stakes are 50-50? Why not a negotiated merger of the Greens and PDA in the close races, and PDA support for Green candidates where they are most viable? It is entirely possible to visualize creative leaps out of electoral traps while strengthening an independent left within the institutions of state power. Protestors in the streets should serve as a permanently challenging - and threatening - disruptive presence in constant orchestrated interaction with forces on the inside, too, not simply serve as occasional “street heat” to be enlisted when pressure is needed by the insiders.
Now through November, the radical left can be the effective One Percent. The 99 Percent will be appreciative.
For a thoughtful left perspective, please see also Bill Fletcher and Carl Davidson's August 9, 2012 essay.
Update on Thursday, September 6, 2012 at 2:06PM by Tom Hayden
My "Saving Obama, Saving Ourselves" commentary is being circulated widely in the blogosphere, which I am thankful for. Let me share my responses to some of the many comments I have received in their various incarnations.
PATHOLOGICAL
“Your fraud-man Obama is the ultimate slick suave lick-spittle corporate tool not just content to keeping the MIC/Pentagon well oiled and lubricated whilst greasing his greedy grubby outstretched palms throughout the obscene duration of his four year tenure.”
Get a grip and let's be in touch. If you include your email address next time, then I’ll gladly write.
RADICAL DISAPPOINTMENT
"Hayden now says our expectations were unreasonably high for Obama. But I and a friend heard Hayden speak a couple weeks (at Metro State in St. Paul) before Obama's 2008 election and were surprised, even then, at how absolutely enthralled he was. He could not gush enough."
Yes, I was emotionally moved to see Obama win the primaries and the presidency, achieving something I never imagined possible when I lived in Georgia during the civil rights movement. But I also founded a network in 2008 called "Progressives for Obama," which stipulated that we would continue opposing him on Afghanistan, NAFTA and other issues, while strongly supporting his election as a victory for his progressive and multi-racial constituency.
I have an African-American child and it moves me deeply that he is growing up in Obama's world. I strongly identify with the women, the LGBT community, and the student Dreamers who have so much at stake in this election. So much. The left should be on their side.
At the same time, every day since 2003, I have written and spoken out against the Long War, the Iraq War, the Afghanistan-Pakistan War, the Yemen War, and their terrible domestic consequences in terms of budgets and civil liberties. Until we end those wars, and the Drug War as well, it will be next to impossible to protect civil liberties from constant erosion. There is no reason to think our cause would be advanced under a Romney presidency.
SUBSTANTIVE DIALOGUE
"I think Mr. Hayden racializes the question too much in order to discount why radical progressives view the Democrats and Republicans as a two-party tyranny even though there are obviously great differences between the two wings as to how the tyranny of the corporate feudalism is to be enforced. Hayden sets up a straw man fallacy that the argument against the two-party dictatorship is based on the notion that "there is no difference between the two major parties." That is not an argument anyone is making, except in the most rhetorical fashion of saying when it comes to the issue of the power of wealth controlling the nation the differences are negligible.”
Good points all, including the rest of the comment and those similar.
I know the "straw-man" argument seems made up, but Ralph Nader in 1990 and the Green Party this year argue that there is no difference between the parties, that they are a "duopoly" of one ruling system. The apparent difference between the parties, in this view, is only a difference in ruling methods. So there is no way the rank-and-file can ever take over the Democratic Party.
On the latter point, based on my experience, I think the critic is right. But I am not sure I have ever believed or written that the rank-and-file can "take over" the Democratic Party. The critic holds to a top-down analysis of the two parties as different "wings" of the lords who rule; the Democrats try to buy off the middle class in order to serve the same corporate interests. Maybe, but middle class achievements like Social Security were won by mass movements who secured valuable concessions from those "lords" in the 1930s, and there is more than a small difference between Social Security and No Social Security.
My point is that the critic entirely ignores the role of rank-and-file social movements in forcing important improvements in everyday life from the political class. These should not be dismissed simply as ways to keep the rulers in power - if that was so, why were those rulers so madly opposed for so long to women's rights, civil rights, labor rights - as some of them still are? Social movements influence the climate of civil society, which influences voter beliefs, which forces some politicians to sometimes make concessions that matter to us all.
We can threaten the stable rule of the power elite with popular movements. We can ally on issues with the one hundred or so progressive Democrats in Congress or statehouses across the country. We can continue strengthening immigrant rights, women's rights, labor rights, and limiting the freedom-to-maneuver of the war makers and Wall Street. Occupy Wall Street was a starting point. The great fight ahead is likely to be against the power of great wealth over our political freedoms. It is good for our organizing that Obama stood up to the Supreme Court justices in front of the country, and good that he favors a constitutional amendment to roll back Citizens United. That provides a favorable climate for organizing - but we have to make it happen.
As for "racializing the issue," I do not understand all the causes but facts are facts. White radicals are the leading critics of Obama. Polls have shown African American voters favoring him 94 percent to zero, Latinos around 70 percent, along with a majority of women. Okay, Cornell West, Tavis Smiley and Glen Ford, all black, attack Obama. I do not know their intended vote. But including their dissent, black opposition still rounds off to Zero.
--- On Thu, 9/6/12, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
The errors, omissions and distortions in Hayden's piece in general praise of Obama are extraordinary. You've got to be kidding!!
Nothing about climate change, nothing about Israel-Palestine, nothing about national security, military and related budget issues, nothing about Iran, nothing about the murder by his administration of innocents, Americans or not.
I guess I can understand people voting for Obama as the lesser evil, fearful of the religious and radical right, but to praise his administration as truly worthy, in any humanistic sense, of another term is mind boggling. It just shows that the political system is totally corrupt.
Plain and simple, Obama is, and should be treated as, a war criminal and betrayer of commonly recognized civil rights.
Just thought I'd get this off my chest.
On Sep 6, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
What a great article from Tom Hayden -- could have been meant for some on this list (probably not racist accusations part). Not to be missed!!!
--- On Thu, 9/6/12, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
http://tomhayden.com/home/saving-obama-saving-ourselves.html
"Or it could even be a white blindness in perceptions of reality on the left. When African American voters favor Obama 94 percent to zero, and the attacks are coming from the white liberal-left, something needs repair in the foundations of American radicalism."
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