[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sftalk] Re: Fwd: Democracy Now!'s Tribute to Bayard Rustin
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> -------Original Message-------
> From: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> To: Roediger, David R <droedige at illinois.edu>, sftalk at yahoogroups.com <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>, Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
> Cc: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, ocCUpy <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sftalk] Re: Fwd: Democracy Now!'s Tribute to Bayard Rustin
> Sent: Aug 14 '13 01:04
>
> CORRECTION
> After re-reading my response to Mr. Roediger's comments, I discovered some
> typo errors of mine that I thought I would correct, especially after
> reading Mr. Roediger's entry in [LINK:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Roediger] Wikipedia. I need some
> grammar lessons. Here's the correction:
>
>
> "I had to read Mr. Roediger's response about six times to figure out what
> he was saying before I picked out a couple of clues the third time through
> that led me to believe that I think I agree with his premise. I may be just
> reading into it what I want it to say. There're two things I came away
> with in his response: (1) If you divide the world up between the 1% and the
> 99%, you'll find that the 1% is capable of, willing to and continually
> engaged in influencing the message of those opposed to them. Obama's
> election is the prime example of their craft and the best example of how
> good they are at deceiving people. I believe he is a creation of the 1%.
> (2) There may be an identity class all by itself of highly intelligent
> academic people who are so unintelligible that they are completely ignored
> and rejected no matter how 'right' (whatever that means) they are. They
> should be on the street corners with protest signs that say: 'If you read
> this sign six times you'll understand it.' As the cars go by they are
> grumbling under their beards that nobody cares about them....(no matter how
> 'right' they may be)." I wish that I didn't have to work so hard to
> understand them, because they seem so intelligent.
>
>
> Steve Francis, NFU
>
>
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> FROM: "Roediger, David R" <droedige at illinois.edu>
> TO: "sftalk at yahoogroups.com" <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>; "Brussel, Morton K"
> <brussel at illinois.edu>
> CC: "<peace-discuss at anti-war.net>" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>; ocCUpy
> <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
> SENT: Monday, August 12, 2013 11:38 PM
> SUBJECT: Re: [OccupyCU] [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Democracy Now!'s
> Tribute to Bayard Rustin
>
>
> 40 years ago? So it was then the period right before 1973 that liberals
> gloriously supported class struggles? And then somebody (Who was that in
> this fantasy? Got to think in terms of timing that George McGovern looks to
> be a likely culprit) tricked them into instead pursuing the supposedly
> completely different, indeed opposing, ideas of being against white
> supremacy, male supremacy, and homophobia.
>
> I'm old but I can't remember that inspiring stretch of pure-and-simple
> class agitation by liberals. What would be some of the most outstanding
> examples from those years, say from 1963-73? I keep coming up with
> struggles for jobs and freedom now, with the uncompromising stance taken by
> working-class queers at Stonewall, and with important opposition to a
> racist and imperialist war. But surely these were on your view just the
> thin, plotting edge of the nefarious identity politics wedge, diverting us
> from real deal.
>
> I'm also blanking on the important liberal working class leaders who were
> then resisting taking the identity politics bait and laying down a class
> line uninfected by "identity politics"--one that could have won against
> neoliberalism. Was that what Walter Reuther was doing in keeping the
> skilled trades in auto overwhelmingly white? Or maybe, as the increasingly
> misguided late-career Bayard Rustin whom you rightly join in denouncing had
> it, the class warriors were George Meany and Albert Shanker (those great
> practitioners of white identity politics), united in their opposition to
> considering race whether the issue was integrating the building trades,
> keeping Vietnam from being incinerated, or engaging other than hysterically
> with community control of schools in minority neighborhoods.
> Please fill in some details.
>
> In championing Walter Benn Michaels' socialism of fools--the view that a
> narrow class politics can by itself transform a social order predicated on
> multiple intersecting axes of oppression and that hidden plotters keep that
> from happening--you are advocating not just a poorly defended position but
> one that operates increasingly as a soundbite article of faith not really
> subject to evidence. Or in the conspiratorially inclined rhetoric Benn
> Michaels favors, maybe the neoliberals invented Benn Michaels and
> Estabrook. They certainly did fund and forward the similar, and hegemonic,
> Clinton, Obama, and Democratic Leadership Council arguments along the same
> lines, holding that it is only permissible for "progressives" to talk about
> allegedly unifying and hopelessly tepid economic issues, and not about
> justice.
> freedom now, dave roediger
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> From: [LINK: mailto:sftalk at yahoogroups.com] sftalk at yahoogroups.com [[LINK:
> mailto:sftalk at yahoogroups.com] sftalk at yahoogroups.com] on behalf of C. G.
> Estabrook [[LINK: mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com]
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> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:09 PM
> To: Brussel, Morton K
> Cc: <[LINK: mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net] peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
> [LINK: mailto:sftalk at yahoogroups.com] sftalk at yahoogroups.com; ocCUpy
> Subject: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Democracy Now!'s Tribute to
> Bayard Rustin
>
> It's the bane of identity politics, which American liberalism substituted
> for class politics 40 years ago, in its timorous response to the assault of
> neoliberalism. ("OK, if we can't have socialism, and we have to have
> imperialism, let's just see what color the rich kids are...!")
>
> --CGE
>
> On Aug 12, 2013, at 8:52 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <[LINK:
> mailto:brussel at illinois.edu] brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> > Not infrequently Democracy Now! runs off the rails. I can remember well
> how disgusted I was with Bayard Rustin and his support of the Vietnam war
> by the U.S. .
> > It is a disgrace that those actions of his are unmentioned in the
> Democracy Now! piece.
> >
> > --mkb
> >
> > On Aug 12, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
> >
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >>> From: <[LINK: mailto:turbulo at aol.com] turbulo at aol.com>
> >>> Subject: Democracy Now!'s Tribute to Bayard Rustin
> >>> Date: August 12, 2013
> >>>
> >>> I sent the following e-mail to Democracy Now! in response to a tribute
> to Bayard Rustin they did this morning. The occasion was a posthumous award
> >>> Rustin is about to receive at the White House.
> >>>
> >>>> While rightly lauding the courage and commitment of Bayard Rustin as
> a founder and organizer of the civil rights movement, this morning’s
> tribute left out a less stellar side of his political career. By the mid
> 1960s,Rustin had sold his soul to Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic Party,
> acting to keep the civil rights and anti-war movements within the political
> bounds prescribed by the administration, and to red bait and exclude all
> elements deemed too radical by the cold warriors. He used his considerable
> influence to undermine the first big march against the Vietnam War in 1965
> because its organizers refused to bar the participation of communists and
> other left-wing radicals. He opposed MLK’s 1967 Riverside Church address
> condemning the war. In his view, silence in the face of the wholesale
> slaughter of a people fighting for its independence was not too high a
> price to pay for remaining within the good graces of the slaughter’s
> chief perpetrator, in hopes that Johnson might do more for civil rights. It
> was Rustin’s role as a policeman for the White House that sullied his
> name in the eyes of the radical activists of that era, of which I was one.
> His posthumous accolade from Barack Obama comes as no surprise. In his
> older years he was a shining example the kind of housebroken
> “radical”that the president would no doubt like to see followed today.
> Rustin’s early role as a fighter deserves to be remembered. So do his
> later accommodations to power. --Jim Creegan
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