[Peace-discuss] "Congratulations" re: Korean Commentary

Thu Aug 15 12:36:05 UTC 2013

David

Mr. Breen's commentary represents the thinking of so many Americans in relation to our imperialist wars abroad and is therefore disturbing. I am no expert on Korean affairs but I liked your commentary on Korea as it is informed and factual as one can expect from your work.  I was disturbed especially by the personal attacks on you by a member of this list, as I see the handiwork of provocateurs and am pleased that you chose not to engage. 

Karen A.

Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 08:49:35 -0700
From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Congratulations" re: Korean Commentary
To: karenaram at hotmail.com; galliher at illinois.edu; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

Well, look at what this dude says in the paper today: http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2013-08-14/north-south-korea-are-quite-different.html 
        From: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>
 To: Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Congratulations" re: Korean Commentary

What is it about "conservatives", and "provocateurs" that is so obvious and such a turn off?  Their rants and attacks on individuals, personal attacks, in order to villianize the individual, rather than discussing ideas.  The labeling of individuals, socialists, communists, etc. has its origins everywhere in the world leading to hatred and violence. Never change or progress. 

I am especially sensitive to this form of "discussion" having just met with a former Thai activist, who spent time in the jungles before fleeing to the Philippines to acquire his MD. A mere high school student at the time, he joined with protestors at Thammasat University in Bangkok, Oct. 6, 1976. One of the most horrid of killings perpetrated by a people against their own people. Research is proving that yes again, the CIA was behind it. The internal Communist threat after the fall of Vietnam was
 something the US Gov. wanted no part of. Thai students were protesting and insisting that US Airbases be removed from Thailand, that with the recent "revolution" in 73 left them vulnerable. What is most chilling is reading the accounts of the organization of the Thai people to ensure that hatred and mindless, senseless torture and abuse occurred. 
I can't help but wonder if they/US gov. apparatus, as always puppets of the corporate elite so sophisticated at that time, with the help of technology and blindness of the people today, what is on the agenda for us  one day. 

Karen Aram

> From: galliher at illinois.edu
> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 11:41:43 -0500
> To: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] "Congratulations" re: Korean Commentary
> 
> It says a lot about the propagandized state of American
 political discussion that Chomsky's 'vulgar Marxist' line is so difficult to understand. 
> 
> As he said long ago, 'People not only don't know what's happening to them, they don't even know that they don't know."
> 
> --CGE
> 
> On Aug 13, 2013, at 8:53 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > ----- Forwarded Message -----
> > From: Christopher Evans <caevans2 at hotmail.com>
> > To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:41 AM
> > Subject: "Congratulations" re: Korean Commentary
> > 
> > "Congratulations," Dave, your guest commentary about the Korean War made the hit-list of the local conservative email list-serve I'm on. Rather than debate historical facts, it seems you got the boiler-template rant for all "liberals" instead: 
> > 
> > "He lives in a
 Bizarro world of his own making. He doesn't realize the radical, counter-cultural AmeriKan left (of which he is a closet member) poses far more dangers to the liberties of man than the political "right" and he's a broken record by always slamming the free market (as if it has actually has existed in full strength under the intense regulatory guidelines of our government for many decades now), "capitalists" (whatever he means by that) and constitutional conservatives.
> >  
> > In politico-economic terms the real problem is the neo-Marxists, leftists and liberals (which includes a few Democrat-Lite RINOs for sure) who have cleverly incubated a crony capitalism as the economic engine of their new world anarcho-fascism. By anarcho-fascism I mean a regime exactly like the kind that Obama and his congressional sycophants have created which on the one hand shreds the Constitution, routinely and casually violates the separation of power
 principle, refuses to uphold laws already on the books like immigration laws, and then on the other seeks to impose its own brand of "new age" legalistic/bureaucratic fascism. If I may broadly invoke the original American founders, any law that is not strictly according to the Constitution or the moral law of God IS NO LAW AT ALL. I'm alluding to the original opinions of John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, John Madison, George Mason and John Jay. That's why I refer to our present form of unconstitutional government as bureau
>  cratic f
>  ascism --- BF being the new club to keep Americans and business in line under this increasingly authoritarian regime. 
> >  
> > Like I've said before, the very real organic threat to our liberties and constitution isn't free market capitalism or other boogey man inventions created by the likes of Stalin and Hitler for example, but rather the big government-media complex that has arisen to
 the implicit applause of useful idiots like David Green. Green has drunk his own Kool-Aid for far too long and has lost his way in a maze of leftist lies and disinformation. Green finds it convenient to rail and tilt at windmills of his (and whacko leftist bloggers') own making and invariably his rants and silly diatribes attempt to poke the metaphorical stick in the clear seeing eyes of those who adhere to a more credible understanding of the Constitution and the limitation of government under said document. Most of the "studies" or "findings" he alludes to is pure political bunkum created by others of like mind to demonize free enterprise and free Americans who won't bow the knee before the totem of progressive s
>  ocialism
>  .
> >  
> > If Green would go after his messiah Obozo (and I bet he voted for this Manchurian candidate at least once) the way he goes after eeevvvviiiiiillll "capitalists" (whatever they are by
 present definitions ... for Gawd's sake Hitler was calling the big government socialist FDR a "capitalist") he would have more credibility. 
> >  
> > Frankly, I hope this response finds its way back to the pawn Green who ignorantly empowers globalist sockpuppets like Obama and the rest of the Chicago-thugs who comprise his administration. Green isn't a part of the solution, he's part of the problem because he continues to muddy the political waters with his own self-aggrandizing ignorance. One can only imagine how much more insane and impoverished this world would be if we were to adopt his prescriptions.
> >  
> > Because Green says he "sees" he's actually the most blind of all because through all the blizzard of lies and obfuscations he's created he now hasn't a clue who the real enemy is -- those enemies being the neo-Marxists, anarcho-socialists, anarcho-fascists, and garden variety collectivists on his side of
 the aisle. As I've stated before, these varieties of secular humanist deadbeats, like the Nazi National Socialists, Sov-coms, and Chi-coms, are all different facets of the same "progressive"/collectivist gem. Green is merely a puppet, a clever commissar, a useful idiot, a distraction regarding the real enemy of the eternal rights of man bequeath to us by our Creator. 
> >  
> > Whatever Green says under his present state of self-delusion is absolutely irrelevant to winning the real battle which faces free men and women everywhere since he refuses to condemn the likes of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of the globalist movers and shakers who are the architects of the coming ideological storm. I don't want Green anywhere near my foxhole when the jackbooted thugs are unleashed on law-abiding, God-fearing, constitutionalist patriots in the name of the national security of the United States of Socialist AmeriKa. I am no patriot of this new
 AmeriKa that is emerging, I am a patriot of the U.S. Constitution ... period.
> >  
> > We live in perilous times. The coming storm is still approaching. I'm keeping my powder dry and I refuse to let the twisted rantings of David Green to cloud my hard-earned understanding of what is really happening in a world gone mad.
> >  
> > BTW, the left is now fond of saying that the Tea Party and other constitutional patriots desire to put the AmeriKan government back under the limitations of the U.S. Constitution is some form of "anarchy" or "no government 'insanity'." I ask, does that mean the more limited government we had under Clinton was "anarchy" ... under Carter was "anarchy" ... under FDR was "anarchy" ... under Lincoln was "anarchy"? I would that we at minimum return to the levels of regulation, warrantless surveillance, and taxation under Bill Clinton! The new AmeriKa I see emerging after the devastation Obama and
 his wrecking crew have visited upon traditional free America is indeed a voracious Leviathan which seeks total dominion over free men and women.  Obviously the big government leftist Quislings today don't believe there are any limits to the reach of government excepting for their First Amendment right to spew their own lies and anti-conservative/anti-constitutional venom.
> >  
> > Sic Semper Tyrannis.
> >  
> > 
> > Subject: David Green
> > 
> > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 11:47:47 -0400
> > 
> > Did you happen to read David Green's commentary in the Gazette today?  Curious; his remark about capitalist Marxists???  I find this guy's writing style hard to follow.  If you have time to read the article, I'd like your take on it."
> > 
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